Talk:Millennium Challenge Corporation

Proposed merger with Millennium Challenge Account

This and the Millennium Challenge Account should be merged--they are the same.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 21:50, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

No they should not be merged because they are not the same thing. The corporation is an agency within the US government and the Account is something the corporation manages. Dumaka (talk) 12:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Proof?Other dictionaries are better (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean proof? Go to the website and see for yourself. Dumaka (talk) 18:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

You know what? Here's my proof...

The Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC) is an innovative and independent U.S. foreign aid agency that is helping lead the

fight against global poverty. Created by the U.S. Congress in January 2004 with strong bipartisan support, MCC is changing the

conversation on how best to deliver smart U.S. foreign assistance by focusing on good policies, country ownership, and results. : MCC forms partnerships with some of the world’s poorest countries, but only those committed to:

•good governance,

•economic freedom,

•and investments in their citizens.

MCC provides these well-performing countries with large-scale grants to fund country-led solutions for reducing poverty through : sustainable economic growth. MCC grants complement other U.S. and international development programs.There are two : primary types of MCC grants: compacts and threshold programs.

This means that it is totally distinctive from the Millennium Challenge Account. The MCA is only one part of the MCC. Dumaka (talk) 18:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Um, your "proof" doesn't say anything about what MCA is. MCA should not be a separate entry, and instead should be folded under MCC. The MCA either refers to the authorizing legislation (Millenium Challenge Act of 2003, PL 108-199) or the special purpose legal entity created by each partner country to officially manage the aid received and the completion of the project proposal. Akosh33 (talk) 13:32, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

My post was directed at the distinctiveness of the MCC, I wasn't even talking about the MCA. So what's your point? Dumaka (talk) 15:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree. There is no www.mca.gov only www.mcc.gov.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

So, why should they be merged if they are different? If they are merged then it should be under the heading of the MCC. Dumaka (talk) 15:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

If your position is that MCA is different from MCC, please state the distinction. Respectfully, I don't think you'll be able to articulate a meaningful difference. Even if you can find a distinction, it is one without a difference; how ever you define MCA won't meet Wikipedia's requirements for significance. Keeping two articles on essentially the same thing is confusing and needless. If you will relent, I can make the change. Thanks for your input. Akosh33 (talk) 20:45, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

If you do decide to merge them, then it should be under the MCC. Dumaka (talk) 14:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Once again, the MCC is the dominant aid agency. There is no www.mca.gov or www.mcc.gov.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 14:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

see http://www.mcc.gov/pages/about. If you search www.mcc.gov there only this reference. The MCA is a small entity. It is not distinguishable from the MCC.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 14:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I thought the MCA and MCC were going to be merged? What happened? Dumaka (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

What happened? You are the opposition to the mergerOther dictionaries are better (talk) 16:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

No I'm not. I said go ahead with it long ago. Please note the following "If you do decide to merge them, then it should be under the MCC. Dumaka (talk) 14:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Remember when I said that???? I have in no way stopped you from making changes to the page so what's the hold up?Dumaka (talk) 12:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

You shouldn't be pressurising me. Why don't you do it?Other dictionaries are better (talk) 15:01, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not pressuring you, you're the one that wanted to do it in the first place for Pete's sake! The page can stay the way it is for all I care. Dumaka (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

you never understood the merger in the first place.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 16:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

First you say you're going to merger the two pages. Then you tell me to do it. Now, you're saying I don't know anything about the merger. You're not even making any sense. If you're not going to merge them, then I'll remove the tags on both pages. Dumaka (talk) 18:38, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

One you don't have knowledge of te development policy and mechanisms or the US. Two, it's not I i stay and edit Wikipedia 24 hours aday. Three, merger willoccurs as adn whne i can shift the info. Thank YouOther dictionaries are better (talk) 15:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Merger

I have brought over all the sections from MCA into this article. Almost done. MCA will be a redirect to MCC. Or soon to be nomniated for deletion.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 15:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Article needs more up-to-date references

Most of the references are its activities during the Bush Administration.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 15:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. More current references should also be incorporated into the sections on response to/results of/criticism of the program. --24.98.36.119 (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Millennium Challenge Corporation Controversy

The article should be expanded to include controversies. Please include the American subsidy of Moroccan olive farmers under the MCC and its impact on California's olive industry.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/19/EDOH1L5N54.DTL 173.29.79.99 (talk) 19:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC) Nancy Harby

Is it bilateral?

First sentence states that MCC is a bilateral foreign aid agency. Bilateral" implies there is another entity, on par with the US Government, with responsibility or control for the duties of MCC. The page never states what that other entity is. I don't think that it is accurate. MCC appears to be an independent agency established with bipartisan support. Not bilateral.

I propose to remove "bilateral" and replace with "independent". Trf111 (talk) 17:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Its business is to extend foreign aid based on bilateral or one-to-one agreements with other countries' national governments. As one of the so-called independent agencies of the United States government, it is far from being independent from the government of the United States. But you may describe it so in the lead, knowing its structure and operating methods. Explanation of this term warrants a whole paragraph in the article body. Sources: Center for Global Development, Foreign Assistance Agency Brief, 2017 Congressional Research Service, RL32427, 3 October 2019. Wakari07 (talk) 22:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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Outdated information about Country Selection Policies

• What I think should be changed (include citations):

All of the locations which reference the 17 selection indicators need to be changed to reference 20 selection indicators (note that Girls' education is now two indicators in one depending on the wealth of the country, but in most of MCC's reports, they refer to it as a single indicator and refer to the scorecards as having 20 indicators). Otherwise, the primary changes need to be made to the "Selection Indicators" section. Here are my proposed changes:

Selection indicators

A country is considered eligible for a compact (aid grant) if selected as eligible by the Board of Directors. The Board of Directors chooses countries based on three factors: policy performance as measured by the selection indicators on MCC's scorecard, the opportunity to reduce poverty in a country, and the availability of funds . In order to pass the scorecard a country must pass 10 of the 20 indicators, pass either the Political Rights or Civil Liberties Indicators, and pass the Control of Corruption indicator. For 16 of the 20 indicators, a country passes if its score exceeds the median score of its peer group. The remaining 4 indicators (Political Rights, Civil Liberties, Immunization Rates (if the median is above 90%, otherwise it is median based), and Inflation) are scored based on a static threshold.

All 20 indicators are compiled by third parties with no connection to MCC. MCC grants are made without considering politics. This is perhaps the most innovative aspect of MCC, as previous foreign aid missions were plagued by political considerations. The focus of the MCC is to promote economic growth in the recipient countries. The program emphasizes good economic policies in recipient countries. The Bush administration has stated its belief that development aid works better in countries with good economic policies, such as free markets and low corruption.

Girls' primary education completion rates for countries in Africa. Source data: MCC Open Data Catalog, FY 2014.

The indicators are:

Indicator	Category	Source
Civil liberties	Ruling justly	Freedom House
Political rights	Ruling justly	Freedom House
Freedom of Information	Ruling justly	Reporters Without Borders Centre for Law and Democracy Access Now
Government effectiveness	Ruling justly	World Bank Institute
Rule of law	Ruling justly	World Bank Institute
Control of corruption	Ruling justly	World Bank Institute
Immunization rate	Investing in people	World Health Organization
Public expenditure on health	Investing in people	World Health Organization
Girls' primary education completion rate / Girls' secondary education enrollment rate	Investing in people	UNESCO
Public expenditure on primary education	Investing in people	UNESCO and national sources
Natural resource proection	Investing in people	CIESIN/Yale
Child Health	Investing in people	CIESIN/Yale
Inflation rate	Economic freedom	International Monetary Fund WEO
Trade policy	Economic freedom	Heritage Foundation
Land rights and access index	Economic freedom	IFAD / Doing Business World Bank
Regulatory quality	Economic freedom	World Bank Institute
Fiscal policy	Economic freedom	IMF WEO
Access to Credit	Economic freedom	Doing Business World Bank
Gender in the Economy	Economic freedom	Women, Business and the Law World Bank
Business start-up	Economic freedom	Doing Business World Bank

An eligible country must apply for a grant with a specific project in mind.

• Why it should be changed:

This article is a decade out of date. In 2011 (Fiscal Year 2012), MCC substantially changed its selection criteria. The current "Scorecard" includes 20 indicators (not 17). This included dropping some indicators and adding new ones (changes not reflected in the current article, which includes some of the indicators which are no longer in use (e.g. Voice and Accountability), and does not include some of the indicators which are currently in use (e.g. Freedom of Information), and some whose sources have changed name. . While most indicators on the scorecard are median based, 4 are not (Political Rights, Civil Liberties, Inflation, and (sometimes) Immunization Rates). I have a conflict of interest with MCC, and so cannot make the changes myself.

Carneadesofcyrene (talk) 17:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Economics

MCC(Millenium Challenge Corporation) 2400:1A00:B111:DF3A:FD53:E51B:67CB:933A (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2022 (UTC)