Talk:War against the Islamic State

Civilian casualties and non combat military

It's just wrong to list them in the losses on the coalition side. Civilians should be listed below, while non combat losses should just not be counted or listed below as they are not direct effects of the military confrontation. Also, IS does not operate any MiG aircraft. Controlling an air-frame is very different from using it. 600 tanks look really far fetched.

The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan did not "cease to exist in 2021"

The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan currently has status as a rump state. The Permanent Representative of Afghanistan to the United Nations article lists the most recent appointment taking place on the 9th of February 2022. The Taliban administration, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, is not recognized by any country as the government of Afghanistan. Many countries still maintain ties with the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was never formally dissolved. Multiple embassies & consulates of Afghanistan in various countries, are still under the control of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. This claim that the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan ceased to exist in 2021 is not supported by any sources. Even if the Taliban has de facto control over Afghanistan, that does not mean that the previous government ceased to exist. It still very much exists, but does not control territory within Afghanistan. --JasonMacker (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Embassies and consulates are not fighting a war against the Islamic State. That's ridiculous. And consensus was reached to say it no longer exits, see Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. The CIA world factbook refers to the Islamic Republic as a former government. It has been stated repeatedly by RS that the Afghan government collapsed: [1], [2]. The Journal of Democracy states plainly: "The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan ended on 15 August 2021." There is a mountain of sources saying this. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 20:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

You added a note to the contrary without any sources. Without sources, this is original research. I can find no evidence that the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is in any way fighting the Islamic State in 2022—that is an outlandish claim. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 20:22, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

If you looked at the List of diplomatic missions of Afghanistan, you'd see that the United States closed the embassy of Afghanistan. However, most countries still maintain their embassies. So trying to present the US government's position as the international consensus is a violation of WP:NPOV. Your claim that I provided "no sources" is a bit misleading. It is more accurate to state that I provided no 'additional' sources. The CNN article used as a source refers to the Taliban-led government, which is named the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. The fact that I changed "Taliban" to "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan" to be in line with the CNN source does not mean I didn't present any sources. If you see the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, you will see that nowhere does the article state that the IRA ceased to exist. Instead, it states that it ruled Afghanistan from 2001-2021, which is true. I'll be more than happy to provide additional sources, but I have to do stuff in real life and can't hang around on Wikipedia forever. Looking forward to working with other editors in improving this article and the associated template. --JasonMacker (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

When I say you didn't add sources, I'm referring to your claim that the IRA is a rump state. I fail to see how diplomatic missions matter. Are these diplomatic missions engaged in armed conflict against the Islamic State? This is not a diplomatic page having anything to do with the legal status of Afghanistan. It is a war article. The IRA ceased to be engaged in armed conflict against the Islamic State in 2021. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 20:51, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not like I invented this idea. Look at Republican insurgency in Afghanistan, and History of Afghanistan, and Amrullah Saleh, which make it clear that the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is a government-in-exile that was never formally dissolved and is still contesting Afghanistan in an ongoing republican insurgency.

The diplomatic missions matter in that the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is not dissolving and is still actively involved in being the de jure government of Afghanistan recognized by a large number of countries. They are still providing consular services (such as records of births and marriages) using Islamic Republic of Afghanistan documentation.

In any case, the template should make it clear that the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is now the main force fighting against the Islamic State in Afghanistan, and that the rump state of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan no longer has the capacity to conduct official operations against the Islamic State. I can't find any sources for NRF attacks on Islamic State after 2021.--JasonMacker (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

It is not a rump state, and all of the articles you point to actually take pains to clarify that there is no actual government in exile, just claims from some people that went nowhere. Reliable sources do not consider Saleh (who fled Afghanistan in September) or the NRF to be running a government in exile. No country has recognized or provided aid to him. We are long past this, there were fights over this at Saleh's article and the IRA article and it was determined that there was no continuation of the old government. The article you point to, Republican insurgency in Afghanistan, specifically says "Islamic Republics of Afghanistan loyalists" and contains the following note:

Though the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan ceased to exist on 15 August 2021, many soldiers, officials and other loyalists relocated to Panjshir and rallied under its banner. These elements and exiled officials claimed to maintain the republic in some form,[5][6] with Amrullah Saleh styling himself "caretaker" president.

These are rebels unrelated to the former government. The IRA does not exist any more inside Afghanistan. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 03:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Add some conflicts

Isn't the mali war and the xinjiang conflict part of this? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

The lead section is confusing and doesn't follow WP:MoS.

The lead sentence seems like it was copy pasted from another article. "Many states (which ones?) began (referencing a nonexistent time frame) to intervene against the Islamic State, (no definition/hint of what the Islamic State is) in both the Syrian Civil War and the War in Iraq (2013–2017), (is it part of another war or its own conflict?) in response to its (ambiguous pronoun: the many states? The Islamic state?) rapid territorial gains from its 2014 Northern Iraq offensives, universally (word to watch) condemned executions, human rights abuses and the fear of further spillovers of the Syrian Civil War. " The last part is just a run-on sentence, with the subject changing multiple times. I am going to work on rewriting this so it conforms with the manual of style. An uninformed 3rd party is just going to be even more confused reading it: I know I was. Any help would be appreciated.AtramentousAlabaster (talk) 17:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)