Talk:Memetic warfare

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Russia-Ukraine conflict

articles about "meme warfare" regarding the 2014 invasion of Crimea, which should probably get its own section. 1 2 --jonas (talk) 02:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

" involving the propagation of memes on social media."

I think this as the first sentence breaks the meta of the article, and is an oversimplification.

I believe propagation of memes on social media, is one form/medium of conducting memetic warfare. I think internet Memes are one example of "memetic information". To overly conflate 'memes' and 'memetic information' really shows a lack of understanding of what memetics and memetic information really is.

Further to this... An 'internet meme' is really just a 'meme' that uses the interfacing of the internet, to communicate itself/have itself communicated by a user. There were and are non-internet memes.

Top level: Information Warfare Mid level: Memetic warfare is a type/form of information warfare (or otherwise a type within a sub-category of information warfare) Article First level: Memetic warfare Article secondary level(s): Within this layer of the meta of the article, internet meme's can be described as a medium in which memetic warfare is conducted.

Really poor understanding and describing of memetic warfare if it mostly references the internet, social media, and memes. It's just describing one very narrow scope of examples, and then this is conflated with the concept and theory overall, which is plain incorrect.

I imagine the standard definition of memetics is fairly unanimously agreed upon within the context of this article, and it being:-

" Memetics is the study of information and culture based on an analogy with Darwinian evolution. Proponents describe memetics as an approach to evolutionary models of cultural information transfer. Memetics describes how an idea can propagate successfully, but doesn't necessarily imply a concept is factual. "

The article could stand to benefit, by providing pre 1970s-ish examples of memetic warfare, which certainly exist (or otherwise are well described within the framework of memetic information and warfare). Anything from 1500-1970 would suffice. Basically you would look at finding information warfare examples through history, and then within said, find the ones most concerning social and human interaction with any piece of information that has been adulterated.

-I.e - NOT an army purposely deceiving another army as to it's numbered strength.

-But MAYBE - A nation using propaganda to sway opinion of various societal/cultural issues, in a way that then results in a lesser war effort. - This does not require, the internet, internet memes, or social media. There will certainly be examples within this where the main interaction is the adultering of a packets of non-digital/internet information pre 1970 2407:7000:986C:1300:BCA8:E64A:58A5:2711 (talk) 03:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)