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Requested move 19 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: Consensus for the move did not form in this discussion (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Lobby (room) → Foyer – per WP:NATURALDIS, and WP:CONCISE. Due to 'lobby' having many meanings it isn't really possible to use an ngram or similar methods to demonstrate one way or the other whether 'foyer' or 'lobby' is the WP:COMMONNAME for the room in question, however WP:NATURALDIS clearly states that "using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title" meaning that even if lobby is the more common (which I have my doubts about) then the page should still be moved to foyer. Ebonelm (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2016 (UTC)--Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 09:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support: as nominator. Ebonelm (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose this move 2601:541:4305:C70:406A:48C8:3DB5:24F8 (talk) 18:58, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

  Relisting comment, this is not a poll. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 09:21, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose. Unless hard evidence can be presented that shows the term "foyer" used more commonly than "lobby" in context, I'd say best to keep the status quo, given that in cases such as this, WP:COMMONNAME trumps WP:NATURALDIS. Steel1943 (talk) 03:02, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Steel1943 can you provide evidence that lobby is more commonly used than foyer? Because only if you can do that would you be able to make a claim regarding WP:COMMONNAME. Furthermore, that's not a correct representation of the relationship between WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURALDIS which as I quoted in my initial explanation states "using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title" which clearly demonstrates that WP:NATURALDIS would override WP:COMMMONNAME. Ebonelm (talk) 12:15, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

I have to disagree with that because there's still no evidence presented that the status quo has to change. Following WP:NATURALDIS just because the alternative term doesn't have a disambiguator doesn't immediately qualify for it to be the name of an article. In fact, if I had to make a claim from my own experiences, I've seen the word "lobby" used more that "foyer" in context. In fact, I would go to an extent to say that if this article was named "foyer", I may even see somewhat of a WP:SUPRISE since the more common term that I've essentially always have seen for this subject (WP:COMMONNAME) is "lobby". I would actually have to read through the article a bit to know what the subject is since the article title alone didn't help me know what the subject is, unlike "Lobby (room)" which immediately gives me a better idea what the subject is even before I read the lead. (Anyways, going to change my comment to "oppose" now since I have convinced myself to change my stance.) But, WP:WORLDWIDE may apply in some way to this move since the word "foyer" may be more common around the world and not just where I live/am from, but there had not been any evidence yet presented that can make this claim, and since I live where I live, external search engines have just been providing me with results that this subject is called "lobby", so I can't prove otherwise either. Steel1943 (talk) 13:34, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURALDIS. It is unclear which of the two terms is more commonly used, but it is clear that one is unambiguous and the other isn't, so we go with that.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose no firm evidence has been presented showing foyer to be more commonly used, and without such I think the guidance offered at WP:TITLECHANGES is pertinent: "If an article title has been stable for a long time, and there is no good reason to change it, it should not be changed." Not that WP:NATURALDIS says not to use "obscure" terms, and I strongly feel that foyer is fairly obscure compared to lobby. If anything, we should consider making this article the primary topic for lobby and moving it to the basename. Calidum ¤ 19:41, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose Although difficult to discern common name here because of the multiple meanings of Lobby, there is another subtle but nevertheless distinguishing feature. "Foyer" although a synonym of "Lobby" is of French origin. Whereas "Lobby" is primarily English (both England and America). In English language WP, I believe that gives Lobby the edge and at its current title, there is no confusion as to what the article is about. --Mike Cline (talk) 14:08, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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Merge from Vestibule (architecture), Entryway

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To merge Entryway (vague concept merging to vague concept), but not Vestibule (architecture) (technical term with a more precise meaning). Klbrain (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

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I arrived at this through the term antechamber, an unreferenced article that was redirected to Vestibule (architecture). Note that unreferenced article on Foyer was redirected here (without discussion) in 2015. There may be further synonyms. I just found Entryway, completely unreferenced (I boldly redirected it here). Sigh. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:00, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Piotrus, thanks for merging the other two. I wouldn't merge this article and Vestibule (architecture), because 'lobby' is typically used as a catch-all term for all sorts of rooms vaguely connected with the entrance, whereas vestibule has a clear meaning, especially in classical architecture.~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 Could you clarify that distinction in articles, with references? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:23, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

AirshipJungleman29 is correct, as shown in the two distinct articles. The material on classical architecture in the vestibule page defines the topic well. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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Taking out the World Trade Center picture

Hey all, I think would be beneficial if we were to remove the image of WTC2's lobby, as it seems to attract trolls from time to time who think it's funny to post "before/after" pictures following 9/11. For an example, see [[1]]. Invinciblewalnut (talk) 21:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)