Talk:List of people with kidney stones

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Missing citation

I could not find suitable citations for the following:

• His contemporary, John Wilkins, Bishop of Chester, could not face the prospect and died as a result.
  • It may have been mentioned in the Baroque series of fiction by Neal Stephenson, but a factual reference is needed.
  • According to:
    • Chapman, Allan (2005). England's Leonardo: Robert Hooke and the Seventeenth-Century Scientific Revolution. CRC Press. ISBN 0750309873.</

  he died from a six-day stoppage of the urine, which was initially blamed on bladder stones. However, no stones were found during his autopsy. Instead he may have died from the mixture of medicines provided by his doctors.

• While DJ'ing at a student event, British DJ John Peel passed a kidney stone, and then proceeded to auction it off for charity at the same event.
  • Only mentioned in blogs.
• Reggaeton artist Tito El Bambino briefly suffered from kidney stones.
• In 2008, American Idol semi-finalist Robbie Carrico suffered with kidney stones on the night that he was eliminated from the show.
  • He did suffer from stones, but there is no suitable reference for this particular incident.
• No reference found for this supposed quote by catcher Joe Mauer: When asked about it he stated, "I don't wish that on anyone."

—RJH (talk) 15:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Good Article candidacy

I'm not sure this article is eligible for good article status. This page, I think, qualified as a list and, according to this, lists are not eligible for GA. --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thank you.—RJH (talk) 20:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

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I am "Quick Failing" this article, I'm afraid. It is a list, and therefore fails the Good article criteria. Lists are assessed at Wikipedia:Featured_lists, so do feel free to consider nominating it there. However, before you do so, please consider renaming the article: "kidney stone formers" gives no indication what the article is about (I had to follow the link to find out, and I still don't know what the title means). "List of kidney stone sufferers" might be more appropriate. In addition, the lead paragraph does not contain the title, as required at WP:LEAD. I suggest you read that guide carefully in order to improve the lead: this should contain a summary of the contents of the article. Another thing you will need to do before considering featured list status is to show why this list is notable, and not just a collection of trivia. Perhaps a source which can draw conclusions regarding the sufferers, or what impact it had on their lives? ie. why the kidney stone is notable; why WP needs to tell people about it. You might also want to consider increasing the number of incoming links: this article is almost an orphan. Consider also potential categories. This is not a "kidney disease", but a list of people suffering from a type of kidney disease. Interested people are unlikely to easily find this article.

On a positive note: this is a comprehensive and well referenced list, which has taken some time and effort to compile. Well done! I am sorry we cannot recognise it at GA, but I hope things go well for you at WP:FL. Gwinva (talk) 09:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. "Kidney stone sufferers" is an incorrect title as not everybody who forms a stone suffers discomfort. It also doesn't seem as neutral.—RJH (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough: just explain the title in the lead. Gwinva (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Whilst sufferer might be a slightly emotive (and therefore unencyclopedic) term, I'm not sure how you'd really know anyone had kidney stones unless they experienced discomfort from them? Granted a person may form them and never know, or form them and pass them untroubled, but is there actually anyone in that list to whom that applies, if so how did they know? and would it be notable anyway? In fact the article is mostly given over to pain and debilitation and the impact of renal colic on their lives, as you'd expect. In the absence of a better word, I'd say "sufferers" is poor but descriptive, whilst "formers" is rather ambiguous and possibly inaccurate. Apologies if I seem crotchety, I'm most definitely suffering! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.74.124 (talk) 17:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Jan de Doot

His articles says that the stone came from his bladder, not his kidney. -- Beardo (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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List of kidney stone formers → List of people with kidney stones – I propose we rename this article to a ore passive and neutral form in the form of List of people with gout. Whether or not this type of article should in fact exist, the use of the verb "form(ers)" is weird. People do not intentionally have kidney stones are are not usually described as "kidney stone formers". It's also inconsistent with our titling - we don't title articles List of influenza infectees or List of gout developers. Tom (LT) (talk) 04:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. 'Kidney stone formers' could be chemicals that cause kidney stones, unclear that it refers to people who have them. Retswerb (talk) 05:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support as per norms ~ Amkgp ✉ 07:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support, since the current name doesn't make much sense in English (WP:RECOGNIZABLE), and for WP:CONSISTENT reasons. That said, I think this is a WP:AFD candidate, because no one is notable for this, and it is not a defining characteristic. It's like having an article on people who have broken their fifth metatarsal.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - it is a known term in kidney stone disease; see i.e here or search for the term "former" in this University of Chicago website where an entire department is devoted to stone formers. A stone former has chronic stones vs a person who might have a single stone in a lifetime. In terms of the people listed in this article, there's no way to know whether they are formers or not. Victoria (tk) 14:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: 'with' is present tense, so the proposed title would be misleading. Note that the original article was called kidney stone sufferers, but some people found that objectionable. Praemonitus (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support: More recognizable as per WP:RECOGNIZABLE than the present one.--Ab207 (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support. The proposed title is not ideal because some of these people no longer have kidney stones, but the current title uses an obscure, WP:ASTONISHing definition of a common-looking word. It seems that the proposed title is consistent with the other lists at Category:Lists of people by medical condition. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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