Talk:List of people associated with Anne Frank

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Anne Frank was extremely popular with her peers and extended family. She lived in the "Secret Annexe" for over two years with seven other people, all of whom were cared for by four of Otto Frank's employees. She was generally remembered well by those who knew her in Westerbork Transit Camp, Auschwitz, and Bergen-Belsen. However, Jacqueline van Maarsen pointed out in her book "Anne and Jopie - My Friend Anne Frank" that after the diary became famous, many people claimed to have known her who had never even met her. This article deals with those who actually did know her well, or in whose lives Anne and her family figured strongly.

Anne Frank and her sister corresponded with two students in Iowa prior the period covered by the Diary. Should not these people be included in this article? See Postmarked from Amsterdam Anne Frank and her Iowa Pen Pal. The documentary in the special features of the DVD of The Diary of Anne Frank (film) also has some material on this. Or is this article going to be limited to those who physically met Anne Frank? MichaelSH 06:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Anne and Margot, as best as my research can tell, exchanged exactly one letter with the girls in Iowa, and of course, never met them. I don't feel the addition of the girls in Iowa is necessary or particularly salient to this article.

69.54.207.233 02:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I'd agree with that. I've never seen any reference to any more than the one letter either - and the replies from the girls in Iowa did not get back before the Franks went into hiding. A mention in the main article, or perhaps "The Diary of a Young Girl" might be appropriate, though.

Melos Antropon 12:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I removed the material about Audrey Hepburn for two reasons. The first part of the material is quite accurate and verifiable as written, but is not pertinent to this article because it is solely an article about people *personally* associated with Anne Frank. Frank and Hepburn never met. The second part of the passage deals with speculation on Miss Hepburn's part, and clearly does not belong in the article.

Melos Antropon (talk) 04:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

To just add on this Hepburn note. Otto was great friends with Audrey, although Anne did not meet her, if it ia those who impacted the Franks lives Audrey should be in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.29.6 (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Upon consideration of the nature of this article - people associated with Anne Frank - I elected to move the section on Werner Pfeffer to the article on Miep Gies. The reason is that Werner Pfeffer was the only person included in this article who never met Anne Frank. All other subjects in the article, including Charlotta Kalleta, were personally acquainted with her. Melos Antropon (talk) 00:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Given that the article on Peter van Pels does not articulate that its topic has any notability beyond his association with Anne Frank and lacks reliably sourced information for anything beyond that association, I am proposing that it be merged here, per WP:MERGE#Merging Criteria #2 Overlap & #4 Context. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 09:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Merged. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 02:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Petronella Van Daan

This page is redirected from "Petronella Van Daan" yet there is no mention of said person on this page. Cherchez la Femme (talk) 01:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

1. New threads go at the bottom of talkpages.
2. "Petronella Van Daan" is a pseudonym of Auguste van Pels, who is mentioned here.

Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 05:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Correct on both points. Melos Antropon (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 20 September 2009‎

It would be better to explain the pseudonyms for all reader's - it's not easy to find these connections. --House1630 (talk) 20:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Pseudonym confusion

"The Van Daan family joined the Franks in their hiding place in concealed rooms at the rear of Otto Frank's office building on 13 July 1942. It should be noted that Anne gave the Van Pels family the pseudonym of the "Van Daan" family in her diary, as she did for most other characters in the diary. The pseudonyms were dropped in later editions, and today, all main characters in published editions of the diary are referred to by their actual names, as they are in this article."

This paragraph is followed by numerous references to the "Van Daan" family members. So which is the pseudonym, and which is the real name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.55.61.108 (talk) 18:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

"today, all main characters in published editions of the diary are referred to by their actual names"

This is untrue. The most readily available publication of the Diary in the UK at least, the 60th anniversary "definitive edition", identifies the real names in a foreword but uses the van Daan/Dussell pseudonyms throughout Anne's writing (the helpers are, however, given their real names). Are there any objections to changing this (and making the pseudonyms clearer in the biographies)? U-Mos (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

(Worth noting that the BBC adaptation also uses the pseudonyms, further asserting their continued use today.) U-Mos (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Barbro Karlen

A couple of days ago I added a brief section about Barbro Karlen, and included 2 references for it. Perhaps the proper protocol would have been to ask here first? Here's what I wrote:

Barbro Karlen, who is currently living, believes herself to be a reincarnation of Anne Frank. As a child she had memories of herself as Anne Frank which disturbed her. She has written a book about her life in relation to Anne Frank, "And The Wolves Howled".

This information has been removed with a comment " (Reverted good faith edits by 66.245.21.131 (talk): Not reliably sourced and not relevant to this list. "

Could someone comment about this. Is there a general policy that would cause this reference to be considered NOT relevant? Thanks.

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1. Barbro believes herself to be a reincarnation of Anne Frank: This information is factually correct, and pretty easy to verify. She's written a book that is about her life as it relates to Anne Frank. There's a publicly available video where she is interviewed about this topic. There's a website about reincarnation research which discusses her case in some detail. She has an ongoing friendship with one of Anne Frank's relatives. Her book was, apparently, discussed a great deal when it first came out. Did you try to verify this information?

If I'd said that she WAS a reincarnation of Anne Frank, that could not be "reliably sourced", since there is such wide disagreement about the possibility, in general.

2. Is this relevant? That would depend on the purpose for which one is reading the page. She is a person. She is associated with Anne Frank. I would think many historians and others who are interested in Anne Frank would want to know of the existence of Barbro and her life story as it relates to Anne Frank. So, I guess I'd see it as likely to be relevant to some readers of this page. From the point of view of "historical context", she is not someone who lived at the same time as Anne Frank, met Anne etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.21.131 (talk) 06:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

References

Re: Barbro Karlen

This issue has come up before, in the case of Fritz Pfeffer's son, who was originally part of this article. The information on him was removed because he was the only person in the article at that time who never knew Anne personally. It was determined that the article would be about people who did know Anne personally, and only those people. Anne and Barbro, of course, never met in any way that can be "proven". The unprovable idea that she might possibly be a reincarnation of Anne cannot be verified in any way. Melos Antropon (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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