Talk:List of music considered the worst/Archive 2

The Internet Era

First, I have to agree that "Friday" is one of the worst songs ever broadcast. But, with the ubiquitousness of the internet and "anybody can be a star", what have we missed out on? "Friday" would not even have made pressing in the pre-internet age. It is truly awful, but it is no worse than I have heard in a Sunday church service. What is TRULY AWFUL is the tripe foistered on us pre-internet blow-your-own-horn crap. Ya the internet is the great democrat of the arts but that just means that the standard drops to what the average tool next door can do. Still, nothing compares to either 1) William Shatner's "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" or 2) anything by Florence Foster Jenkins.

Why Is This Even An Article

An encyclopedia is facts. A list of songs deemed worst is simply someone's opinion. There is no need for this article. I put the delete tag in it, as there is no need for this article at all. It's simply opinion 99.149.196.156 (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)Bea Bryant

Opinions may be included in Wikipedia as long as they're relevant and backed up with 3rd party sources (and they aren't just the opinion(s) of the editor). Whether "(blank) deemed the worst" articles are encyclopedic or not is another question. I'm not sure. Yonskii (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

This article lacks much objective source material. If the creator were counting on reader participation to populate the lists, and that were the case, it wouldn't represent a real consensus from the general population, therefore it would be lacking much relevance.Landroo (talk) 03:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality disputed

The listing is so lacking and subjective, it is unbelievable we have let such an article be kept as is werldwayd (talk) 02:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Broken Links

2 of the references links no longer work. Am not sure how to fix them - over to someone who knows what they are doing here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.199.154 (talk) 08:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Baby

Why is Justin Bieber's Baby not included on this list? It recieved over 1,135,012 dislikes on YouTube, plus my dislike (adding it up to 1,135,013), which is more than Rebecca Black's Friday (833,023). It is probably the only YouTube video to get over 1,000,000 dislikes.

I second this comment with great emphasis.--Titania La Fey (talk) 03:41, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

"Friday" by Rebecca Black

This list is for songs that have topped polls for worst songs. This song has not. Until that time, it does not belong in this list. To other editors, I'm proposing that -- short of protecting the page -- we establish that until a reliable source is provided to show that this song has topped some poll of worst songs, we just revert/roll-back aggressively, without comment. This is getting tiresome. freshacconci talktalk 22:55, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I just requested semi-protection, since this is getting a little ridiculous. -- anndelion (talk) 00:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

From the article: "or been cited by a combination of reputable sources as being the worst song ever." Seems to me you have misinterpreted the purpose of this article. Friday has been called the worst song ever by a number of media personalities thus qualifying based on the first paragraph of the article. 70.64.83.190 (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

That phrase was just added a week ago. The consensus since at least July 2006 has been to limit the page to the poll-toppers. Consensus can change, of course, but I think this list would become unmanageable and recentist if we began including every song that some blogger hated. Brian the Editor (talk) 23:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Article name

Most clunky article name ever.--Asher196 (talk) 00:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

True. Any suggestions for a better name? freshacconci talktalk 00:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

How about just "List of Worst Songs"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeaOhEm (talk • Paulette Goddard,contribs) 07:08, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but according to who exactly? We can't exactly imply that this is Wikipedia's list of worst songs. freshacconci talktalk 11:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

"List of low rated songs"?--Asher196 (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

So I guess we are going to change the article name without further discussion....ok...--Asher196 (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black - Friday

This song is recently referred as the worst song ever...and here is the reference to this...

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/videogaga/71429/is-youtube-sensation-rebecca-blacks-friday-the-worst-song-ever/

so I believe it should be added to this list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alireza.parpaei (talk • contribs) 05:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

This article reflects songs that have topped polls for worst songs. This song does not fit at this time. The article cited is about the internet phenomena around the song and suggests that it may be the worst song ever, but there is no poll involved, just one writer's opinion. 11:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

From the article: These songs have either appeared at the top of notable media polls for the worst songs, or been cited by a combination of reputable sources as being the worst song ever. 70.64.83.190 (talk) 21:39, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I've removed this again, and the line quoted above: it was only added recently, and would clearly massively expand the scope of this article. If consensus is to include such songs, then this page should be moved to a new title, like Songs described as the worst ever. Robofish (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Sneaky Content Removal

Well, well. It looks like while we've been edit-warring over Rebecca Black and holding a particularly peculiar debate over the scope of this article the vandals content-removing IPs have been at it again. On March 26, two songs were removed by two separate IPs. They were "MacArthur Park" and "We Built This City". Both of these songs have been included in the article since 2005. I'm curious to figure out how an article that is watched by 60 people, not to mention one that is experiencing such an increase in traffic can be vandalized so obviously? If you think that these may be coincidental good-faith edits, consider:

• "MacArthur Park" was added (six years ago) by a reputable, registered editor with references and an edit summary.
  • It was removed by an IP editor with no explanation (diff) whose only other edit was an attack on a BLP page.
• "We Built This City" was added over six years ago, existing in the oldest version of revision history available (24 March 2005).
  • It was removed by an IP editor with no explanation (diff) whose only other edit was to improve Wikipedia's accessibility by replacing 'break wind' with 'fart' in the Big Friendly Giant article (diff - never caught or reverted)

I have reintroduced the removed material into the article with some minor changes for "MacArthur Park" and improved the references for the same. I can only hope we can all be as vigilant about real content as we are eager to revert any mention of Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber! If anyone, including the two IP editors, believes that this content should be removed: let's do it right. Discuss it on the talk page, reach consensus and then remove the material other people have worked hard to write and source.

Sigh, DubiousIrony ^yell 08:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Disco Duck

Well, I am surprised to see that Disco Duck didn't top any poll for worst songs. It deserved it a lot, though. Fasouzafreitas (talk) 22:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Friday by Rebecca Black should go here

Ok guys. I think enough time has passed to allow this song to be added. I mean none of the songs on the list already have received this much attention and negative feedback. The song has over 200 million hits on youtube and over 2 million dislikes making it the most hated video on youtube. It's notable just for being bad and has been called by countless people "the worst song ever". I really think it should be added. I understand the hesitation at first but it's been two months. It meets requirements and meets them well beyond what's needed. She is famous for how awful the song is all over the country and has spawned literally millions of mocks and parodies. Let's just add this already. --Wassup!!-D33DeeD33Guy...R.I.P. Dad 07:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Number 9

Why isn't Revolution 9 here? --98.255.20.225 (talk) 08:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a stretch of imagination to call Revolution 9 a 'song'. More like a collage of random sounds. Cheers, theFace 22:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.28.64.205, 10 July 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWFpl7m_rcI

24.28.64.205 (talk) 03:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Not done: As the article says, "These songs have appeared at the top of notable media polls for the worst songs." As for any statement on Wikipedia that is likely to be challenged, you need to supply a reliable source to support your proposed addition. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 12:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Justin Bieber's Baby should be removed

The reason it is so disliked in Youtube is because of his personality, not the song. In fact, the song recieved critical acclaim by critics. I don't think it should be placed here. TheSandwhichWriter (talk) 04:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

List of music considered the worst

I expanded the "songs" page to include albums, classical and film music. The lack of unbiased references makes it hard to add entries that aren't frivolous. (There were four song entries from 2010-11, and only ten from before that.) If a song or album has been included on two notable "worst music of all time" lists, then it can go in this article - others can be discussed below.
- Responsible? (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Really crappy title

Needs a better title. "List of music consider the worst" sounds like a 10 year old wrote it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 06:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Womanizer

Is there any reason why 'Womanizer' is here with 17 LINKS! People have tried to delete it twice (I did once) but these have been undone. Could whoever keeps doing this please cut the links given and cite professional publications rather than forums and blogs and write down some information in the article itself like every other song in the article, or delete 'Womanizer' from the list. I think it's a terrible song too, but it has to have been declared as one of the worst songs ever by a major source. I normally don't write here, but this was so horrifically bad that I needed to. I don't want to start an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.153.239 (talk) 07:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it be here? This list is crap anyway otherwise Friday would be here as more than a dishonorable mention. And Born This Way and pretty much everything by Katy Perry.

Really the worst songs of all time are the ones that don't even get air time. This list is just silly child's play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 07:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

"Scream", Chris Cornell (2009)

It's been known that this got album got slammed by critics and Rock fans for Chris doing an R&B album despite the fact of the big promotion behind it. It wouldn't be a suprise if it was on the worst albums list, despite the fact I like the title track. Adam the silly (talk) 23:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca Black

I'm surprised her song Friday isn't on the list. On youtube it has more dislikes than likes...and those dislikes are in the millions! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.227.185.71 (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

One Direction

Can we not include songs like 'What Makes You Beautiful' and 'Baby' by One Direction and Bieber respectively on the list based on dislikes on youtube? It would seriously make my day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry McThompson (talk • contribs) 20:54, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry I deleted that part is the "Songs" section. Tony 4-2-1-9-9-8 (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Velvet Underground's "Squeeze"

At first I wouldn't think that something from this band would be considered terrible at all, but then I saw Rolling Stone's score of only one star, Classic Rock magazine's naming it in their worst albums list, and as being an embarrassment to several of the band's core people. This could be a legitimate inclusion to the worst albums list. --Adam the silly (talk) 05:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of music considered the worst

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of music considered the worst's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "allmusic":

• From Eoghan Quigg (album): Allmusic review
• From Love Beach: Eder, Bruce (2011 [last update]). "Love Beach - Emerson, Lake & Palmer | AllMusic". Allmusic. Retrieved 26 July 2011. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |year= (help)
• From Doug Yule: Unterberger, Richie. "Doug Yule - biography". Allmusic. Retrieved 2009-06-10.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Burial

OK, some angry Burial fans think they're funny. Pitchfork actually gave it a 9... http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18820-burial-rival-dealer-ep/ Laerm (talk) 05:14, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that does not necessarily mean it is not considered a very bad release - Pitchfork is only the barometer of the thoughts of a very narrow section of white, middle class, twenty-something American critics that does not reflect broader tendencies in media or in general critical responses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.84.119 (talk) 13:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Right, well, my point was more that the quoted text isn't what Pitchfork said; they actually had a rather opposite opinion.

Laerm (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

"Systemic bias", so called

That is clearly a silly accusation.
The article is about music in English and it should just say that explicitly.
99.247.1.157 (talk) 00:32, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Rewrite?

• This article seriously needs a rewrite, not to mention more reliable sources. Most (if not all) of the examples listed are backed up by a one of two sources from offshoot polls; in addition, when looking at the examples' separate articles, most of them have no mention of anything even close to the effect of being the "worst". Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 04:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

• • Hi, first time I've used this so apologies for any errors... I wholeheartedly agree with the previous poster, and have a suggestion or two for a new title, as the current one just doesn't scan right - how about Worst Music in Western Media or something similar (to take on the bias flag as well), maybe [Most] Poorly Rated Western Music to remind users that they need proper coatings from decent sources, or Poorly Rated Western Music? Also I don't understand why the majority of the article reads like it was cut and paste job off the How To instruction page on Wikipedia? There are three or four large paragraphs on how out why each song had been included, like the author is trying to justify their existence... Does that all need to be there? Finally, I'm not sure whether this article actually needs to exist, it's such a subjective and opinion-based field I don't see how this information would be if value to anyone (I am happy to be corrected on this, however) - having articles on this means there's an argument to (eventually) have to be articles on every item or thing that can be disliked, ever! 82.31.137.213 (talk) 05:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

This Article is on the "English" Wikipedia

Since English is a western language, and most people searching for a page in English would be interested in English Language Music. If someone were to search for the same topic on Spanish Language Wikipedia, they would expect to find Spanish Language music listed, same with Japanese Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, and so on. There is no unreasonable bias for western music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexanderMackle (talk • contribs) 18:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Revolution 9 by The Beatles, Blood on the Dance Floor, Brokencyde, Insane Clown Posse

Why are none of these bands on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.112.40.139 (talk) 23:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Two Beatles recordings are listed: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da". If you feel that other releases should be included, please find cites. A piece of music should have been named by reliable sources as one of the three worst of all time. Goblinostic (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band?

I'm talking about the original version of course, the other one can stay right where it is, but why is this album included? Yes, some people really disliked this album. But besides those few, the album is universally praised, it's article even points that out. I say if One Direction and Justin Bieber were removed, so should this one. Because unlike those songs, which are panned by critics, many people have and continue to praise this album as a milestone in music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobmcfarkuson (talk • contribs) 23:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

If two or more reputable sources name a piece of music among the three worst ever, then users are entitled to add it here. That's why it's included. You're not the first to simply remove the album without gaining consensus and you probably won't be the last, but it'll be re-added every time until a proper discussion is initiated and concluded, with consensus leaning toward its removal (which I'm confident will never happen, given that criteria is fully met). Multiple prominent users have been quick to return the record to this article on the grounds that it is well-cited and meets the criteria for inclusion. You, me and countless others might enjoy Sgt. Pepper, but that really has no relevance here. Goblinostic (talk) 21:07, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

But isn't that tantamount to admitting that the inclusion criteria makes it impossible to write this article in accordance to WP:NPOV? If the majority of reliable sources receive a piece of work positively, but an insignificant minority (2 sources in this particular case) can override the majority, then this article is giving undue weight to a fringe viewpoint. Thanks to @Bobmcfarkuson: for bringing this problem to attention. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 02:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

It's a tricky one. It's not like we have an undue section of negative reviews within an article about a widely acclaimed album. This page is about music named among the worst by two or more sources, and I'm not convinced that positive critical responses need be represented since they're not the focus of the article. It's briefly mentioned in the paragraph about Sgt. Pepper that it's often ranked as one of the great records, which I feel is enough. Goblinostic (talk) 04:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Dubious

A piece of music is to be placed here only "if two critics or polls name it in the top 3 worst of all time". Not the 1,493rd worst of all time, not the 589th worst of all time, not even the 28th worst of all time but one of the top three worst of all time. How about actually sticking to what the article's about? If we're now adding any piece of music mentioned in proximity to the word "worst", then this article simply cannot be written and I fully support its deletion. Goblinostic (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is that it's odd why you won't allow albums that are universally maligned like Squeeze because it only got placed in the 20s on a worst of list, yet you allow albums that are universally praised like Sgt. Pepper's just because only a few people think it's the worst.Adam the silly (talk) 20:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not allowing/disallowing anything. I'm adhering to what the article says should be included. Goblinostic (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Embedded article notes aren't policy. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Nope, they've been the sole indication of what to go by here for three years and the lack of objection implies a silent consensus. So what's the criterion? Add whatever you feel like adding? Goblinostic (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

There's not been a lack of objection. There's been plenty of objection. What I've seen from you over the last several months is you shutting down anyone who objects. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

No, you've seen me trying to improve the article. I do have a problem with people adding records just because they've been called "really bad!" or ranked the 28th worst by one critic. Two sources naming a piece as one of the three worst ever seems reasonable, but whatever. You guys "win", but Wikipedia loses. Goblinostic (talk) 02:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I haven't touched the Velvet Underground's Squeeze but I have removed Bob Dylan's "Wiggle Wiggle" since its inclusion is just too damaging to the article's credibility. The two sources draw from heavily restricted sections of popular music; the first is only from bad Dylan songs (one man's catalogue is but a tiny wave in the ocean of recorded music), and the second – which is uncited – is only from weak offerings by artists whom Q magazine staff deem to be "great". These would certainly bolster a source wherein the track was voted/named the nth worst record ever made by anyone, but I've searched Google and just cannot find anything of the sort. The VU album at least has a source that considers all of music. Goblinostic (talk) 08:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Reverted and put it back in. I find your reasons for removal too stringent. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 08:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Care to elaborate? Sure, you said "stringent" and pointed to an essay, but do you have a reason for reverting? Goblinostic (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Clearly not. WP:JDL won't do. Goblinostic (talk) 20:48, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not compulsory nor is there any deadline here. I disagree that there is not sufficient evidence from sources online to consider the album/music one of the worst. I would further like to state that the "guidelines" and alleged rule of thumb for inclusion in this article is not policy and needs to be revisited in discussion here. One person making numerous edits (you) doesn't set the rules or tone for this article. It should be a community effort. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:14, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Forget all about the embedded note. This article is titled "List of music considered the worst"; per lede, it provides music that "has achieved a negative reputation and been called the worst music ever made". Not "the worst in Bob Dylan's catalogue", or "the worst by artists deemed 'great' by Q magazine staff", but simply the worst music ever made. Selecting tracks from narrow facets of popular music is not what the page is predicated on. Care to address this one? Goblinostic (talk) 21:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

No reason has yet been given for keeping this song, so I removed it once again. WP:BRD states that the reverter will provide a justification for his/her edit, but that absolutely hasn't happened; all I've received are WP:JDL statements in the form of "too stringent" and "I disagree". Again, this article (previously "List of songs in English labeled the worst ever") has never been predicated on the worst songs in individual catalogues. Goblinostic (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Impatient much? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 10:32, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Kinda, because this isn't a discussion. I'm still waiting for a reason as to why this song should be included in the article. Listing the worst song from one back catalogue is basically the same as listing a hill in some English town in List of highest mountains. I readily welcome your argument, once you find it. Goblinostic (talk) 15:14, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Now that I have some time to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way, I will say this: It could be argued that since Dylan is considered one of the best and most prolific songwriters ever, "Wiggle Wiggle" could be considered one of the worst songs ever. That said, I do agree on further examination and searching for something that would support inclusion of the song in this article that the song doesn't truly fit the parameters agreed upon for inclusion in this article - even without the non-policy threshold for inclusion in the embedded note. But, truth be told, it would have been best for you to wait for another experienced editor (myself) to look into this and not chose to edit war/revert war. Every time you did so, you were acting in bad faith and not adhering to what is policy re: talk page discussion in light of BRD. Time is not your enemy and WP:DEADLINE is a good thing to remember. Reverting to get your way only further gives credence to what I believe is your tendency toward WP:OWN in this article and the appearance of bullying/IDHT. It's disrespectful, it's disruptive, and it's just bad form in a venue that's supposed to be community driven.

On that note, I believe it's important with this article going forth that one editor should not and does not edit in such a manner that there is the appearance of article ownership - and I think it's fair to say that you have effectively been behaving in such a manner. Your impatience in this discussion (resulting in edit-warring and disruptive behavior as a result) is but one example. Your insistence on a non-policy guideline is another. What I believe is a bullying manner in chasing away editors who try to edit the article as well as add-to and take-way is one more. I propose we try to work together on this and welcome anyone else who wants to do the same. New/established editors who stray into this article should be respected and welcomed - the article and Wikipedia will be the better for it. My feeling is this article needs to see a new day, a new "way", a new attitude. What say you? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:15, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Confused

I saw the big overhaul edit last Thursday, removing just about most of everything on here.

In the albums, Squeeze, Chinese Democracy and Scream all got cut, while Elvis' Greatest S--- was added.

In the singles, "The Birdie Song", "Sussudio", "Ice Ice Baby", Take That's "Could it Be Magic", "Mr. Blobby", "My Humps", "You're Beautiful" and "Blurred Lines" (alongside possible others I may have forgotten about) all got KO'd, with "Dance With Me" being the spared deletion.

Wondering what's up with that overhaul?

And given that the band itself called it their worst record, any chance someday we could see Styx's 1973 album The Serpent Is Rising on here?

UPDATE: Just remembered "Baby".

98.195.99.11 (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Can't imagine why you're "confused". The edit summary said it all. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria

So, I've been working on cleaning up the equivalent article on video games, and I've been looking through similar articles like this one to see how they're handled. Which leads me to my question of:

1. What exactly are the inclusion criteria?
2. Is there anything in there keeping off fringe theory-type stuff? For example, to include something like Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club on this list seems rather inconsistent with its general reception, like what's shown in in the articles reception section, which was rather positive overall. There really should be something to counter entries that are really more based on a few outlier journalists over the course of the last few decades like this. I feel entries like this create an undue weight issue. Sergecross73 msg me 20:49, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it's a weight issue, because the point of this article is not to identify what actually is the worst music, but rather to report on notable opinions about worst music. This article in no way asserts that Sgt. Pepper is objectively a bad record, and it already notes its wide acclaim; the relevant (and interesting) fact here is that there have been significant and notable dissenters. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

That's not my concern though. In fact, it's really the opposite - I'm proposing that 2-3 critics not liking an album that is general well-received otherwise, is not being notable for being considered the worst. Albums that are notable for "being the worst" are ones more like Heavy Metal Music or the the Kevin Federline album, where they're received largely unfavorable views from a vast majority of RS critics. Sergecross73 msg me 01:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I also see my concern was brought up pretty recently by two other editors, just above. And the only objection was from a blocked sockpuppet. I'll probably remove it shortly unless someone can reconcile its inclusion with WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE for me... Sergecross73 msg me 16:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kitty?

What about Avril Lavigne's "Hello Kitty"? It has been considered worst and described "laughably bad" and "weird" if you see it in the article. DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 04:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

It seems like historically, the way to get on the list is to have a source or two literally call it the worst ever. Do you have any reliable sources that say that? Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of this article in Wikipedia

In my view, why is this article even here? There are, surely, many many polls about the "worst" music that have been conducted over the years - and many suppositions as to what might be generally considered to be the "worst" - this article cannot hope to include them all and any selection it uses is therefore inevitably biased. It's also wholly subjective. What use or worth does having this article contribute to an encyclopedia? It should be considered to be a candidate for deletion in my view. It seems to me to be a case more of ephemera and trivia and does not substantially add to, or convey, any body of real knowledge. Some songs that have been considered, at various times, to be the "worst" are omitted whilst others are included. Why is Mr Blobby included but not St Winifred's School Choir or Tweets' Birdie Song? Indeed, what is a "song"? Does it have to include lyrics, as the Birdie "Song" does not. Anyone could make a case to include additional songs, as some people have, indeed, done in this talk section. What is the inclusion criteria and how many people have to agree before a song is included as being, allegedly, the "worst"? And why should the opinions of music critics, broadcasters or others be allowed to influence my own tastes? Or to determine what I consider to be "best" or "worst", which, indeed, they do not. User: aspaa 23:33, 16 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspaa (talk • contribs)

1. You're free to nominate it for deletion yourself if you're unhappy with it, but, if you look at the top of this talk page, you'll see that the article has survived 5 prior deletion discussions (that's a lot), so I doubt it would be deleted.
2. The content that is present is there because those are the ones that people have bothered to add that are supported by reliable sources. If you feel there are notable omissions, you're free to add some of your own if you've got the sources to back it up.
3. There is no requirement to have lyrics, I'm not sure why you'd think there would be.
4. The article's purpose is not to influence your own tastes, so that point is irrelevant. No one's forcing you to agree with it, or adapt its views into your own. Wikipedia is written according to what can be verified by reliable sources, so, if these critics or broadcasters are deemed as such, then the article is being written the ways all Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written - according to sources. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Too Subjective

Delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, I read the last "discussion" on deletion and it seemed to lean towards delete. And none of the reasons for keeping were particularly rational. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.68.156 (talk) 07:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC) Just want to point out the Blender and Rolling Stone entries are probably jokes. They are not bad songs they are just overblown. I've heard bad things about Coldplay too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.172.44 (talk) 21:16, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I hate to be a party pooper, but... agreed, honestly. What on earth is this doing on Wikipedia? If, perhaps, we had an abundance of serious and well-conducted studies on the subject, that would be one thing, but far too many of these citations are blog posts. This article is only allowed to continue to exist because of perceived entertainment value, but if you ask me this is not the sort of "entertainment" article which Wikipedia usually opts to keep. I am but a lowly n00b, so I am uncomfortable actually taking action in terms of deleting this, but it just needs to be done. Exit Pursued by Bear (talk) 03:51, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

There have been no less than 5 deletion debates about this article, and every time the result of the debate was to not delete it. See the top of the page for more info. Also...FYI you're responding a discussion started 3 years ago, so don't expect too much of a response from them probably. :) Sergecross73 msg me 02:36, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Gary Numan- Machine and Soul (1992).

Many Gary Numan fans and Gary Numan himself cite this album as being his very worst to the point that Numan disowns it. Could someone who has more tech skills then me please include this. It won't be hard to reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.25.102.106 (talk) 04:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I can understand not doing it yourself due to lack of editing skills, but I think you'd have more luck if you actually did the research part (finding a reference) yourself. Sergecross73 msg me 23:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Star Trekkin' by The Firm

What are the stats of thís song? To me it's one of the most annoying tracks I've ever heard. And I guess, more people share this opinion. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 12:40, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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There are really bad songs out there...

I would have expected songs like: Las Ketchup - The Ketchup Song (really really bad) O-Zone - Dragostea Din Tei (brrrrrrr) Chumbawamba - Tubthumping (a "party song" that is still played on radio stations on the beginning of every weekend, but nobody wants to hear that song after 20 years anymore) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.150.1.136 (talk) 14:20, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Find some reliable sources (Here are some examples of good sources) that directly call them the worst songs of all time, and they could be added too. Sergecross73 msg me 15:12, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Why does this article exist?

Not to put too fine a point, but this article is absolute garbage. Nearly all the sources for justifying why songs are listed here is because 'this poll from this one place said so'. Content like this should be in a cheap magazine or one of those lousy clickbait websites, not Wikipedia. 95.148.119.153 (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

But Wikipedia's entire purpose is to document what reliable sources state, and the list as survived no less than 5 deletion discussion. I'm afraid you don't quite understand the articles scope, or what Wikipedia is really. I can explain in greater detail if you like, but I imagine you're just another person to gripe that they don't personally like the list, and never return, so I won't bother unless you ask... Sergecross73 msg me 19:58, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

No 'Killing me Softly'? Nothing from Rupert Holmes?

Killing me softly really stinks, and Rupert Holmes is universally hated.69.158.89.131 (talk) 10:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources that deem the song as one of the worst of all time in some capacity? Sergecross73 msg me 13:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Some possible additions

I'm thinking of adding these songs. Yes, I know about reliable sources, blah blah blah, think of this as kind of a note to self.

• Hooty Sapperticker
• Macarthur Park (song)
• Muskrat love
• Accidental racist

Oiyarbepsy (talk) 00:40, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

I've added "MacArthur". I don't know the others but I've read a lot of bad things about "Racist". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.104.185.113 (talk) 12:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't Worry Be Happy

So I found a top 7 worst songs list by The Village Voice and it claims that "Don't Worry Be Happy" is the worst song of them all. Source: http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/the-seven-worst-songs-of-all-time-6372383 --73.240.105.185 (talk) 01:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

It's marked as "blog" and the author isn't on the website's staff, so I think it was just written by a random person - this failing WP:USERG. Just as well, there's very little substance to pull from anyways. Its just a few generic sentences of "Yuck! This song is bad!" and not much else. Sergecross73 msg me 02:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

That list is actually by veteran critic Michael Musto, who left the Village Voice a few years back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:6A44:4600:F041:9300:1A4E:2E36 (talk) 08:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I forgot that websites sometimes make former staff look more like random-users after they leave. If that's the case, then yes, this would be technically usable, though as I said, he doesn't give you much to work with on writing an actual entry, other than a "Michael Mustor called it worst song of all time in an article for the Village Voice." type comment. Sergecross73 msg me 12:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree that Musto alone isn't enough. OP needs something else; I might have a look in a day or so. 2A02:C7D:6A44:4600:F041:9300:1A4E:2E36 (talk) 15:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. And thanks for making a much better effort at finding something appropriate than the majority of the other comments on this talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 15:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I also found 2 more sources by examiner.com and The Rolling Stone. The examiner article (which is written by Dr. Jerry Wiseman) claims it is the worst song and The Rolling Stone calls it ONE of the worst songs of the 1980s. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/readers-poll-the-10-worst-songs-of-the-1980s-20111006/7-bobby-mcferrin-dont-worry-be-happy-0258136 I can't put up the link to the link to the examiner article because they are on the blacklist and I'm not sure how reliable Examiner is though (despite having a wikipedia article). --73.240.105.185 (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Examiner.com is out of the question, but I've made an entry using the reputable Village Voice sources you gave, along with a few couple of my own. 2A02:C7D:6A44:4600:19DA:CBAB:B946:CD86 (talk) 23:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I have no objections. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Worst Band Ever

I think that video deserves some mention on this page, because it has reliable-ish sources backing it, and 2,000,000 hits on Youtube, as well as a lot of forum threads. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 04:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Usually even the loosest standards require the artist to have their own article, for starters. That being said, "bands" that don't have any albums and aren't signed to a record label generally have their articles deleted. So you can probably start to see the issue here... Sergecross73 msg me 05:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, the band isn't really notable, but I think the video, with 2M views, still deserves some kind of mention. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 23:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

If the band isn't even considered notable on a whole, I fail to see how they can be considered notable as one of the worst... Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

It's not so much the band, but the viral video. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 00:09, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Then why did you name this section "worst band ever"? Sergecross73 msg me 00:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

It's the name of the video. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

So the title of the video is centered around the band, but it's not so much about the band? This whole argument is pretty weak no matter how you try to spin it... Sergecross73 msg me 00:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

It's reputed as the worst cover ever, and I'm talking about the meme, more than the band itself. The band isn't the focus, it's the music and recording of it.

Not a chance. Patently fails RS. 159.148.89.144 (talk) 17:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Worst Music Videos

I was wondering if there could be a new section on this page about music videos considered the worst. I know there's several out there, such as Rock Me Tonite. Adam the silly (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

This page is specifically about recorded music: you could always go ahead and create List of music videos considered the worst, if you think there is enough coverage. Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) is another video regarded among the worst. 82.221.133.75 (talk) 18:02, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Corey Feldman - Angelic 2 the Core?

Just wondering if any of you reckon Feldman's 2016 double album Angelic 2 the Core would make a suitable inclusion for the worst albums list? There aren't a large number of professional reviews out there, but Sputnikmusic did give it a 1 star rating and YouTube critic Anthony Fantano (theneedledrop) did a 50-minute review breaking down the songs and deeming it the worst album of 2016 before the year's end. Plus, there are a few obviously jokey 5-star reviews for the album on Amazon, which shows to me that nobody really takes the album seriously. Vicious Friendly Fish (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

This article (and Wikipedia in general) only usually documents reviews written by professional writers/journalists. User reviews on Amazon would fail WP:USERG, and Sputnik Music reviews aren't usable when written by "users" because anyone can write a "user review" for the website. Only reviews from their staff is usable. So...if it were to be placed on the list, you'd need a different approach with different sources basically. Sergecross73 msg me 16:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Comparable article for music considered the best

Is there an article for "List of music considered the best"? I swear I remember one but couldn't find one. If it was deleted, could anyone direct me to the deletion log so I can understand why it would be deleted but not this article? Thanks. Voyaging^talk 17:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Yep, was just nixed recently:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=List_of_albums_considered_the_best

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140514083604/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_considered_the_best

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B.J. Snowden

This woman B.J. Snowden apparently graduated with a music degree, yet her songs have often been considered some of the worst ever. Would she be included on the list?

Some of her 'songs' include "In Canada", which was even disowned by Canadians themselves. --NovaBrunswick 19:12, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't see anyone actually calling her "worst" in the search I just did, so probably not. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

It would absolutely come down to what sources say about specific material. (The album largely documents albums and songs, not just artists in general.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 22 February 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clearly no consensus in the favour of move. (non-admin closure)  samee  ^talk 05:56, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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List of music considered the worst → List of music considered notable for negative reception – Legacypac moved the article to this title with the comment "Much more accurate. The worst music is extremely subjective". I've reverted, because the article was stable at the previous title, and the new title is much more indiscriminate than the old one. Nevertheless, I'm opening a discussion for further opinion. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - The new name broadens the scope considerably. A lot of music is notable for bad reception, but much fewer are consider "the worst". I don't like the current name, but if we're going to move it, lets find something that captures the scope properly. -- Netoholic @ 20:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - per above. Sergecross73 msg me 21:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – per above, and also because the wording of the proposed new title is confusing.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not a chance. 82.132.234.165 (talk) 00:30, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
• Support - It is the most WP:NPOV title that can be achieved. Shadow007 (talk) 08:24, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

• That doesn't make any sense without any explanation or context. You've got to do more than just vaguely invoke "neutrality"... Sergecross73 msg me 14:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

• 'Worst' involves a value judgement by comparing it against other subjects, i.e. all other music produced, in order to say "this is worse than all of that". This is necessarily subjective regardless of who is making the judgement. 'Negative reception' simply refers to what to occurred, i.e. an album or song was received negatively. Shadow007 (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

• We have a similar set of concerns over at List of unusual deaths (one of our most popular articles with a lot of general public mentions) - ie, what is "unusual". After several AFDs and a lot of discussion, consensus developed that any item described as "unusual" (or a reasonable synonym) by high quality reliable sources was eligible. The same standard should apply here, if an item is called "worst" or "one of the worst" by multiple sources, we have can list it here. Who knows, maybe once we find a good name for this list, it too will become popular. -- Netoholic @ 01:18, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

• An interesting suggestion, but how many sources are "multiple"? Two? Five? More? Or does this depend on the genre? For example, does it take more sources to certify a worst heavy-metal song than a worst polka, worst string quartet, or worst choro? Or perhaps an entire genre ("the worst genre is" heavy metal, polkas, string quartets, or choros)?

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add Brokencyde - Freaxxx (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=41&v=-TH5ibABP4U), as this is BY FAR the worst, I repeat THE worst song, humanity has ever produced. The entire human race would agree with this statement if necessary. 47.219.198.212 (talk) 22:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done This isn't the place where we just list off our personal favorite worst songs. We need a source, like a major music critic or big publication's poll results or something. Sergecross73 msg me 22:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

It’s everyday bro, Pokémon go song, Sweatshirt, Gucci Gang?

All these songs have been considered the worst by thousands of critics why aren’t they on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:100:7880:8D60:F28:6A1A:D7EB (talk) 01:11, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

No one has written an entry that cited reliable sources deeming them the worst. Sergecross73 msg me 02:30, 15 April 2018 (UTC)