Talk:List of metropolitans and patriarchs of Kyiv

Merge with List of Metropolitans of Kiev

I suggest to merge Article List of Metropolitans of Kiev into this Article. We cannot maintain and reference two separate lists which cover the same people and the same office. Actually this article (List of Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Ukraine) is to be preferred because it is more WP:NPOV listing all the current claiming Metropolitans of Kiev. A ntv (talk) 11:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I have no problems, as to where the list ultimately resides, but it does seem that completely redundant lists are not the best way to go. Either way, btw, wp:listpeople will apply. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Misail Drutsky or Mishael Pstruch

Is this an incorrect name altogether?

• This 2009 edit added Misail Pstruch (Mikhail Drucki)
• This 2011 edit changed Misail Pstruch (Mikhail Drucki) to Mysail Dru'ky
• This 2011 edit changed Mysail Dru'ky to Misail Drutsky

The Russian Wikipedia article Мисаил (митрополит Киевский) (translate to English) and the Ukrainian Wikipedia article Мисаїл (Пструч) (translate to English) transliterate to "Mishael Pstruch". "Mikhail Drucki" is found in  Palmieri, Aurelio (1912). "The Religion of Russia". In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 13. New York: Robert Appleton Company. —BoBoMisiu (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Untenable name, or content

• The article now comprises very different categories of hierarchs with very different connection vis-a-vis Kiev, and many of them having no connection whatsoever with "Ukraine". I put quotes simply to signify readiness to accept the term in any sense. The article looks plain idiotic. The easiest solution would be renaming, although splitting it might be a better option.Axxxion (talk) 13:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

@Axxxion: maybe – instead of flat lists – two-or-more-column tables would better show the timelines and distinguish the Ruthenian/Ukrainian-centric from the Moscow-centric? There were several changes in the political geography that affected the various hierarchies during the many centuries. I think a single list article better shows the complexity while splitting it will obfuscate the complexity of domination and repeated assimilation by Moscow. –BoBoMisiu (talk) 22:29, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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Kyiv spelling change

The article should be moved/renamed to reflect the city name's spelling change on Wikipedia--RicardoNixon97 (talk) 20:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 25 September 2020

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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List of Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kiev → List of Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kyiv – Kyiv spelling change on Wikipedia RicardoNixon97 (talk) 12:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

This article covers some historical uses of Kiev, which have proved conttroversial elsewhere. So please discuss the move. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• The article name should be changed as the title is used to this day, but all uses of "Kiev" in it up to 1995 should be kept as is.--RicardoNixon97 (talk) 12:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Consistency with Kyiv. 3K008P9 (talk) 09:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support i think everyone can agree that this isn't a historic usage blindlynx (talk) 13:33, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Support Why wasn’t this a speedy move? (The article text should not use confusing mixed spelling, which would imply some different meaning. The intro can just say ”Kyiv (Kiev)” once, if anyone is genuinely concerned about recognition.) —Michael Z. 13:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
• Speedy support.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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