Talk:List of fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom

Let's try to collect and list all the fatalities

Someone was generous yesterday and dumped a bunch of raw URLs for citations onto the article (25 new links). Someone else dumped even more this morning (9 links). I sifted through each one of them and put them into the list (table). We have now gone from 3 fatalities to 35 fatalities. My estimate is that we have about HALF of them (more or less). If anyone is interested in doing some research to uncover more reports of fatalities, please do so. Even if you don't insert them into the table, it's still helpful. Nomopbs (talk) 17:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Nomopbs I checked tbe majority of the mainstream newspapers and news sites in the UK (see below) for fatal dog attacks I am struggling to find stuff from the 1980s to 1990s. Maybe you might have better luck. Dwanyewest (talk) 13:28, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

• https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
• https://www.express.co.uk/search?s=
• https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/dangerous-dogs
• https://www.theguardian.com/uk/dangerous-dogs
• https://www.thesun.co.uk/?s=
• https://www.thetimes.co.uk/
• https://www.telegraph.co.uk/
• https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
• https://www.independent.co.uk/
• https://www.heraldscotland.com/

@Dwanyewest: Thanks for looking. A lot of the online news articles are being taken down (expired) after about two years. If we had any old links to news articles, we might be able to find them in the Wayback Machine. In lieu of an article for a particular death, any article, book or study even "mentioning" individual deaths would even be good (giving a name and basic date). — Nomopbs (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Change name of page to "Fatal dog attacks in England,United Kingdom.

Does anyone know how we could change the name of the page to "Fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom"? I know we could create a re-direct from "Fatal dog attacks in the United Kingdom" to "Fatal dog attacks in England and Wales", but it would be better if the page name was for "UK" and not the limited "England and Wales", and the re-direct went the other way.

Historically, the page used to be [1] a simple list of death counts from a single publication from the Office for National Statistics, which is preserved in the current article under the heading "Number of fatalities each year (England and Wales 1981-2015)". [2]

In April 2019, I co-opted the England & Wales page and started to add fatalites into a table in a similar manner as the articles Fatal dog attacks in the United States and Fatal dog attacks in Canada. Recently, I created a master article Fatal dog attacks which lists other fatalities globally that don't have another place to be posted, and which lists/links all the other country pages in one place.

—Nomopbs (talk) 18:21, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

You can request a move at WP:MOVE. I agree England and Wales seems a bit arbitrary and excludes, among other places, Scotland and North Ireland, which I would think would be significant population omissions. PearlSt82 (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@PearlSt82: Thanks for the tip. I just used WP:MOVE to change the name of the article. Nomopbs (talk) 02:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

A note on scientific findings of breed is needed

With bias forming against breeds and a focus not placed towards owners, this article needs some balancing science, and perhaps a link to overall dog bite statistics - assuming the goal is to provide rounded information without agenda and inform. 31.54.32.209 (talk) 02:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

It would seem that this needs to be adjusted with the current introductory paragraph which is significantly inflammatory. The sourcing regarding the statement of "american bully XLs" being the major statistic, but not sourcing reference to this excepting newspaper articles is obtuse. The subsequence reference to UK GOV website is nonsensical and should be rectified.

Sourcing should be reliable, including Police reported data, rather than news media where there is significant bias when reporting, and untrained individuals making assessments on type. 217.155.201.0 (talk) 16:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The Belfast Case

Should the incident in Belfast where a pregnant woman was attacked by an XL Bully and forced into early labour, resulting in the death of the baby, be added to this list? Hashbrown3839 (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Please link the case here, but unfortunately I do not think it counts as a fatal dog attack as the dog did not attack the baby. Feudonym (talk) 01:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Remove DEFRA summary count

Propose to remove the DEFRA summary counts - this is a very short list with only 13 years listed ending in 2017. It also conflicts with the more comprehensive ONS statistics, with much lower figures, and hence potentially downplays the number of fatalities. It does however closely match the numbers from the article, which is noted as incomplete, and is there fore duplicated anyway. Feudonym (talk) 01:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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