Talk:List of best-selling video game franchises

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• From The Legend of Zelda: "Top Selling Title Sales Unit (Wii U)". Nintendo. Nintendo Co., Ltd. Retrieved 30 September 2022.
• From Mario Party: "IR Information : Financial Data – Top Selling Sales Units (Wii U)". Nintendo Co., Ltd. Nintendo. Retrieved 31 August 2020.

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Sub

Is there a reason why sub series are included (for example wii sports is under the wii series and has a entered all on it own) Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I presume this to be the case due to the fact that there are several Wii Sports games released over the years. Evidently the distinction between series and sub-series can be quite blurred, so whoever added it must have thought it needed to be added. Pablothepenguin (talk) 21:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

We talk about it further down see Talk:List of best-selling video game franchises#Limit but yes that is the idea Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Limit

Should we rise the limit to 25 million Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 20:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

May I ask why? Timur9008 (talk) 11:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

They 127 entries currently however I suggest we remove sub series (witch should not be on here) so we probably do not need to rise the limt Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather see the subseries removed. A lot of that is original research as to when a series has a subseries (like the Lego Star Wars one), and its better just to stick to the largest obvious grouping. Masem (t) 12:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm still not understanding the reason here. Why? Sergecross73 msg me 12:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I think he means we should limit it to top 100 instead of 127. Timur9008 (talk) 12:59, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I was think removing of the sub series witch would give us 110 if we also higher limt aswell that would give us 86 if my maths is correct a lot more manageable Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 16:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

If the article is getting too long, we should remove the description / summary field. It doesn't really add anything. Masem also has a good suggestion. I don't like the idea of introducing WP:OR of what is considered "best selling" based on arbitrary limits. There are ways to respect WP:SIZE concerns without inserting our editorial opinion. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I have now removed sub series and this is what it look likes https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises&oldid=1167695608 Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 09:13, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Rayman explicitly states that it "does not include the Raving Rabbids series" and yet Rabbids was deleted anyway. Donkey Kong was removed when I would call it only tangentially linked to the Mario games in the modern day. If this removal is going to be riddled with such errors and judgement calls then I would prefer it would be reverted.

Secondly why the obsession with paring down the list? As both Timur and Sergecross stated, it does not seem long enough to cause technical glitches. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:07, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I chanced back to how it look before and we can discuss further then here a list of franchises to be discussed Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 16:59, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Could anyone help remove them as I tried and messed up (provided we still want them removed) Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 09:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

So is there any one oppose the removal of these franchises or should I go ahead and remove (replay in section)

I tried and failed to remove these could someone else try (provided that still want we want to do) Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

you should probably ping more editors to get a consensus Timur9008 (talk) 12:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Super Mario

The Super Mario series as it is a sub franchise of Mario

Mario Kart

The |Mario Kart series as it is a sub franchise of Mario

Wii Sports

The Wii Sports series as as it is a sub franchise of wii

Mario Party

The Mario Party series as it is a sub franchise of Mario

Donkey Kong

The Donkey Kong series as it is a sub franchise of Mario

While I agree with the majority of the changes, this one is ridiculous. Let me tease it out to remove any confusion.

The Donkey Kong franchise begins with the original Donkey Kong (1981), which also happens to introduce the character Mario. Mario then is the main character in Mario Bros. (1983) which is the first game in the Mario franchise. The characters Mario and Luigi, along with certain other elements like turtles and pipes, are then used in the game Super Mario Bros. which is the first game in the Super Mario series. The Super Mario franchise is a subseries of the Mario franchise, but the Donkey Kong series is not. If anything, the Mario series would qualify as a subseries of the Donkey Kong series, but I think we can all agree that that would be overly pedantic of us and not representative of how the properties are treated now.

Nintendo even has a whole sub-series called Mario vs. Donkey Kong that treats the two as separate franchises that are crossing over. (Before you ask, I would technically consider the Mario vs. Donkey Kong games Donkey Kong games that feature Mario rather than Mario spin-offs, given the elements in common with the original Donkey Kong arcade game, but it's the hardest call for sure. Do we have a precedent for treating other crossover games a specific way? How do we treat Street Fighter X Tekken, for example?)

I would help with these edits, but I'm not familiar with this type of layout and I don't wanna break anything. --Pacack (talk) 05:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm working my way and updating the numbers for various franchises. When I get to Mario, I'm gonna split off Donkey Kong into it's own section. Not only does Donkey Kong precede Mario as stated above, but Nintendo as recently as 2023 has listed Mario and Donkey Kong seperately as franchises. In addition, the Mario franchise page on Wikipedia doesn't have Donkey Kong listed under its list of games. 67.85.222.175 (talk) 07:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Lego Star Wars

The Lego Star Wars as it part of both Lego and Star Wars series

Mario sports

The Mario sports series as it is a sub franchise of Mario

Wii Fit

As it part of the Wii series

Star Wars: Battlefront

Part of the Star Wars franchise

Marvel's Spider-Man

Part of the Spider man and Marvel Insomniac universe

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell

Part of the Tom Clancy's series

Naruto: Ultimate Ninja

Part of the Naruto series

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six

Part of the Tom Clancy's series

Luigi

Part of the Mario series

Rabbids

Part one the Rayman series

Marvel

Are these games connected if not they probably should not be on the list

Nintendo’s financial results.

Nintendo has released their latest update on sales of games, just saying, if you want to check that out and upgrade the list. GuyUser81 (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Spyro the Dragon

Should it be 30 million as the remake did 10 million? https://twitter.com/SpyroTheDragon/status/1697658224348967118 80.192.187.151 (talk) 00:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Minecraft

The Minecraft franchise should not only consist of the main game, but its spinn-offs as well, which would boost sales to over 300 million. Maxeto0910 (talk) 08:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree. The entire Minecraft videogame franchise should be included in this article.

Here are a list of all titles to be potentially included:

-Minecraft Java/Bedrock Edition (2011) [300 Million units sold]

-Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition (2012) [21 Million units sold] { Legacy

-Minecraft PS3 Edition (2013) [1.5 Million units sold] { Legacy

-Minecraft PS Vita Edition (2014) [1.32 Million units sold] { Legacy

-Minecraft Wii U Edition (2015) [1.47 Million units sold] {legacy

-Minecraft Story Mode PC release (2015) [~346 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode Xbox 360 release (2015) [~1.2 Million units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode PS3 release (2015) [~890 thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode Xbox One release (2015) [~770 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode PS4 release (2015) [~870 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode PS Vita release (2015) [Data needed] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode Wii U release (2016) [~70 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Education (2016) [35 Million units sold*]

-Minecraft Story Mode-Season Two Xbox 360 release (2017) [~70 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode-Season Two Xbox One release (2017) [~270 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode-Season Two PC release (2017) [~20 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode-Season Two PS4 release (2017) [~110 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft New Nintendo 3DS Edition (2017) [~370 Thousand units sold] { Legacy

-Minecraft Story Mode-The Complete Adventure console releases (2017,2018) [Data needed] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Story Mode-Season Two Nintendo Switch release (2018) [~20 Thousand units sold] { Discontinued

-Minecraft Dungeons (2020) [25 Million units sold]

-Minecraft Dungeons Arcade (2021) [Data needed]

-Minecraft Legends (2023) [3 Million units sold]

These are all the titles within the Minecraft franchise which cost money. Titles such as Minecraft China and Minecraft Earth have been excluded from this list, as they do not cost money.

Both seasons of Minecraft Story Mode have been discontinued after TellTale Games filed for bankruptcy, and data for sales between platforms needs to be refined.

Minecraft Legacy Editions refer to versions of Minecraft made for consoles before Minecraft Bedrock Edition was created for all modern consoles. Legacy versions of Minecraft are counted separately from Java/Bedrock sells, are discontinued, and are different games.

Minecraft Education is free for students, but are still required to be payed for by hosts. Whether or not Minecraft Education be added to this list is to be discussed.

Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Legends are newer additions to the Minecraft franchise with Minecraft Dungeons having 25,000,000 sold units, and Minecraft Legends having 3,000,000 sold units. Minecraft Dungeons Arcade data needs to be collected.

Here is an estimation for adding the number of sales from each title:

Minecraft Java/Bedrock + Minecraft Dungeons = 325,000,000 sold units

Minecraft Java/Bedrock + Minecraft Dungeons + Minecraft Legends = 328,000,000 sold units

Minecraft Java/Bedrock + Minecraft Dungeons + Minecraft Legends + Legacy = 353,660,000 sold units

Minecraft Java/Bedrock + Minecraft Dungeons + Minecraft Legends + Legacy + Education = 388,660,000 sold units

Minecraft Java/Bedrock + Minecraft Dungeons + Minecraft Legends + Legacy + Education + Story Mode = 392,796,000 units sold

All of this data needs to be heavily improved on. However, it's very obvious that these titles should be represented in the Minecraft franchise for this list.

Thank you. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 04:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Can we start gathering data for a 'Sims' series.

Not THE Sims, just the subseries, but like Mario, a broader Sims as a whole series by Maxis. Including Sim City(all games), The Sims(all games) and the misc Sim games by Maxis and EA(SimAnt,SimWorld,SimFarm, SimCopter) 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:996D:B20A:B4D5:86D9 (talk) 02:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)