Talk:List of Native American politicians

Nick Begich

I deleted Nick Begich from the list because his parents were Croatian, and he does not appear to have had Native American ancestry. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Begich

AuH2ORepublican (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Elizabeth Warren

Elizabeth Warren has again been added[1] (the listing was removed once, wrongly described as "vandalism"[2]).

• The Harvard Crimson, October 22, 1996, "Of 71 current Law School professors and assistant professors, 11 are women, five are black, one is Native American and one is Hispanic... Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American."
  

On June 1, 2012, Warren noted that if she were elected in Massachusetts, "I would be their first Senator, so far as I know, who has Native American heritage." (See YouTube, June 1, 2012, The Daily Caller, June 3, 2012, Fox Boston, June 1, 2012.) --→gab 24dot grab← 20:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what kind of formatting to use here, but Warren's Native American heritage has not been substantiated by an objective evidence. Besides her own mention of "family lore", there is no reason to believe she is any part Native American at all.

-June 14, 2012, 11:48AM[3]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkwells (talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 June 2012‎ (UTC)

This article's current criteria for inclusion is "WP:RS". The line-item "Elizabeth Warren" includes a reference explicitly stating, "Elizabeth Warren is Native American." Please do not remove Warren unless/until the article's criteria for inclusion changes or a superior reference explicitly states, ""Elizabeth Warren is not Native American." Thanks. --→gab 24dot grab← 18:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I pulled her without reading this section of the talk page. Here's the Boston Herald and Indian Country Today. Criteria for inclusion in Native American lists needs to be made more explicit with citations. If tribal enrollment isn't the primary criteria, community affirmation of the individual's status might be a suggestion. An "Indian til proven not" policy doesn't seem to be effective or accurate. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Agree - she does not satisfy federal or Harvard guidelines to identify as Native American, as she is neither enrolled in a tribe nor known in a tribal community as active in its affairs. This is not just about "some" family story of ancestry.--Parkwells (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree I have seen various reliable sources (though I do not have them at hand right now) challenging (with good evidence) Elizabeth Warren's designation as Native American. This seems worth revisiting. I'm just learning how to edit, not sure how to proceed. ----

Deleted politicians without RS for NA ancestry/ID

I've deleted Matthew Quay, Hiram Revels, and Benjamin Arnett, as none has any RS documentation of Native American ancestry in their Wiki articles, nor is there evidence that they identified as or were known as Native American, unlike other politicians on the list. Revels and Arnett, the latter who was a bishop in the AME Church, clearly identified as and were classified as black or African American. --Parkwells (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Criteria

This really begs the question of how the identification or ancestry has been established - by the politician's own identification, or by other sources? If people can self-identify for the census, is WP setting up another standard, or are editors supposed to find RS that say the person is or has identified as such and such American Indian? Parkwells (talk) 18:14, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Currently, this article's criteria for inclusion is simple "WP:RS". For example, for Elizabeth Warren:

• The Harvard Crimson, October 22, 1996, "Of 71 current Law School professors and assistant professors, 11 are women, five are black, one is Native American and one is Hispanic... Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American."
  

Furthermore, on June 1, 2012, Warren herself noted that if she were elected in Massachusetts, "I would be their first Senator, so far as I know, who has Native American heritage." (See YouTube, June 1, 2012, The Daily Caller, June 3, 2012, Fox Boston, June 1, 2012.)

So, that's how it currently is. --→gab 24dot grab← 18:49, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Later RS show that she does not satisfy federal or Harvard guidelines to be classified as Native American under diversity statistics, as she is neither enrolled in a tribe nor known in a tribal community as active/identifying with its affairs. This is not just about some family story of ancestry or distant heritage but how a person lives. See Uyvsdi comments above on Warren. --Parkwells (talk) 21:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Alaska Native politicians

I've begun a list of Alaska Natives who have served in the Alaska Legislature in my "sandbox space." The list is very incomplete, but the bottom line is that some of the more notable on the list desperately need articles created, in case anyone is interested in doing so before I ever get around to it. Those same highly notable individuals probably belong on this list, too. The list is found at User:RadioKAOS/Sandbox/Bios/Alaska Native Legislators.RadioKAOS (talk) 21:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Strange that I would do this, offering such a rationale, before looking at the revision history and seeing that a recent edit declared Willie Hensley to be non-notable. In the real world, a typical reaction to such a statement would be along the lines of "put down the crack pipe and put your hands in the air." The real issue here is one of WP:WTAF.

Sorry to distract everyone from the whole Elizabeth Warren thing. Speaking of which, that's already looking like a prime candidate for WP:LAME.RadioKAOS (talk) 02:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I like what you've begun, but I suggest a table instead of a list. Hope you don't mind, I've stuck it on the end of your existing Sandbox page at:
User:RadioKAOS/Sandbox/Bios/Alaska Native Legislators#Table 2012-06-28. --→gab 24dot grab← 17:41, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Great work on adding tables. On table style, I like the table format in the Sandbox space. Enos733 (talk) 23:13, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I kept looking at this list for the longest time, thinking that tables would make it more appealing/readable. While continuing work on filling out the list's coverage, a problem or two popped up. Notice how large the Alaska section currently is compared to the rest of the list? Also take into account the fact that I have been going in chronological order, and as such the list at present barely scratches the surface of the past 30+ years. To boot, I haven't even gotten around to notable people who are/were involved in state politics but didn't serve in the legislature, such as Walt Monegan, Emil Notti and Don Wright. This would indicate to me that there are at least a few other states which could be filled out in similar fashion. As with the encyclopedia in general, we're inexplicably giving undue weight to current or recent officeholders. Don't even get me started on how so many of those articles resemble social media fodder more than anything else.

I've forgotten the exact circumstances which prompted me to write about Willie Hensley above. I generally remember that someone deemed him non-notable for the sole reason being that no one had bothered to write an article at the time. Now, all of a sudden, we've forgotten all about that and we're using the existence of an article (speaking of social media fodder, it appears the article was created by someone who attended an appearance during one of Hensley's lecture tours promoting his autobiography, as the initial version made that book the focal point, not his decades apiece in business and politics) to suddenly claim notability, when in reality we're talking about someone who has been notable all along, at least as far as the comparatively limited history of Wikipedia is concerned. I'll spare you the thousand-word-or-more diatribe on how that amounts to inconsistency bordering on schizophrenia. There is a reason for mentioning all this: I've added a significant number of redlinked entries to this list. Are these entries subject to veto power by any editor waxing a healthy sense of denial of how far afield we are in being complete in our coverage, or otherwise indulging any wild hair up their ass? There's been an all-out assault elsewhere on the encyclopedia on notable topics which fall south of the "popularity contest" mentality that normally drives development of content. Indigenous peoples tend to fall into that category, especially when they live away from major population centers. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia always cracks me up

Why is there also this list? Do they agree? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress 172.5.154.148 (talk) 03:46, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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List of Native American politicians → List of Native American politicians of the United States – Why is the article title generic while the contents are exclusively US only? Is, for example, Evo Morales of Bolivia not a Native American politician? I believe this should be specified in the title. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 13:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Oppose I'm not aware of "Native American" having much use outside the US, or Morales being called that, rather than indiginous. Reywas92^Talk 13:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Soft oppose Is this proposal to eliminate confusion now or confusion in the future? If for the future, Reywas92 is correct, "Native American" is primarily a US term. --Enos733 (talk) 15:10, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment I'm out of my depth here, but doesn't the notion that "Native American" is a mostly US-centric concept conflict with the fact that we have Native Americans in the United States, whereas Native Americans itself is a disambiguation page? Lennart97 (talk) 12:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Oppose. Yes, in Wikipedia, "Native American" is defined as a being Indigenous to the United States, as explained in opening sentence. Proposed change would be redundant. Yuchitown (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown

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