Talk:List of Donald mountains

New article on Donalds - DoBIH table at October 2018

The most complicated formula for a mountain classification that I know. Hopefully, I have captured it. Will add the "New Donalds" later. The critical element is that this list is from the best database in the British Isles, the DoBIH. Please do not change or update this data UNLESS you are re-downloading the DoBIH for Grahams. It is important that this table maintains its sourcing as a DoBIH data table as at October 2018, otherwise, it will become unusable (as what happens to many lists of mountains in Wikipedia). If you feel the data is wrong, check the database and contact DoBIH - do not change the table, or else it becomes WP:OR. Britishfinance (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 27 June 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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• List of Donald mountains in Scotland → List of Donald Hills and Tops
• List of Munro mountains in Scotland → List of Munros and Munro Tops

– The accompanying category came up in the CfD at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_June_22#Category:Donalds, with concerns that its name does not match this article. However, the names of these articles are self-redundant, since the Donalds, etc. are all Scottish by definition. The other lists of Scottish mountains and hills are also self-redundant. The proposals advanced here align with those for the categories of English mountains and hills, except that all the pages require disambiguators to clarify that they're mountains and not people. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 09:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

 partial close - for Grahams, Corbetts and Murdos - these seem to be in agreement among discussants; Donald and Munros remain undecided - will relist to allow further discussion on those articles. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

• List of Graham mountains in Scotland → List of Grahams (mountains)
• List of Corbett mountains in Scotland → List of Corbetts (mountains)
• List of Murdo mountains in Scotland → List of Murdos (mountains)

• @LaundryPizza03: I would agree on the titles of these changes as, as you mention, they are all Scottish. I have created the pages for over half of the Donald hills (and the tops redirects) but was not the creator of the Donalds page in question. The Donalds and Munro pages are both slightly problematic as Grahams and Corbetts also have tops but are extremely numerous and are beyond the scope of Wikipedia. The Donalds (hills and tops) are officially one entity, while the Munros and Munro Tops are not and are instead separate but related. The current Munros and tops page is currently quite ugly looking with two enormous tables and I suggest the Munros and Munro Tops are made into separate pages, but not to separate the Donald and Tops. For the suggested titles, I agree with all of them.

iangpark (talk) 17:01, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

FYI, replies to a discussion go in the same section. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:47, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• I have made many of the above articles (and brought the head article, Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles to GA. I agree in principle with your suggestions (e.g. remove "Scotland" as unnecessary and replace with "(mountains)"). I would not agree with calling Donalds "Hills", and although there are various references calling them hills and mountains, being above 2,000 ft, and thus meet the legal requirement for a mountain (Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles#Elevation). I would also not be in favour of splitting the articles into mountains and tops as it would require largely duplicating the lede; given that the mountain and tops tables are from the same source, keeping them together will increase the chances that they are simultaneously updated as prominences are updated. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 11:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• @Britishfinance: Although I would really be content with either, Percy Donald himself and the SMC of which he is part, do still refer to his tables as 'hills', not 'mountains', although they are, by modern standards, definitely mountains. For the sake of continuity I would not be wholly against your suggestion of referring to them as the latter, particularly as it includes the New Donalds as well which utilised modern prominence criteria. Perhaps there is a way of making the Munros and tops page more visually-pleasing without separating them (i.e. having tops as a column within the munro table?) Anyway I digress. iangpark (talk) 16:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose all but drop "in Scotland" - I can see the case for removing "in Scotland" as redundant, but I don't like the change to "Hills and Tops" or the introduction of a "(mountains)" disambiguator, per WP:NATURALDIS. It makes sense to keep all these as is, but simply drop the "in Scotland" moniker. Thus:
  • List of Donald mountains in Scotland → List of Donald mountains
  • List of Munro mountains in Scotland → List of Munro mountains
  • List of Graham mountains in Scotland → List of Graham mountains
  • List of Corbett mountains in Scotland → List of Corbett mountains
  • List of Murdo mountains in Scotland → List of Murdo mountains Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per Amakuru. Moving to List of Donald mountains would be better. I think the editors of the topic need to have a small discussion first to have a clear idea before proposing a move. Everyone is looking quite confused. Nomian (talk) 04:53, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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