Talk:Lil B

Should be moved to Lil B

This should be moved over the Lil B redirect. I believe an admin has to do the move and a history merge. Others previously tried to create a stub article on Lil B, but sources were not available at the time, so the article was turned into a redirect.

Actually though, looking at the article, I'm not sure that notability has been established. Unless more sources are found (here, 1 is dead, and the other two are videos with some comments about him, not featuring him), we should consider deleting this. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Uh, yeah. Don't delete this. Blsupr (talk) 12:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide reliable sources to help verify that he's notable? That will help prevent the article from being deleted. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Pink Flame

There is no source that says Pink flame is going to be released January of 2013 and it is the only listed mixtape that has not yet been released and thus should not be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.152.4 (talk) 04:26, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

Lil B (rapper) → Lil B — Previously, there was a very poor article at Lil B. As it contained no references, and it wasn't clear that the musician met notability standards, the article was redirected to The Pack (group), with whom Lil B recorded. Recently, another user created this page, which is far more substantial and clear. While I'm not 100% certain this article is notable, it seems most likely to (I can find references in MTV.com and the NYT; not too significant, but enough to retain, I think). As such, it should be moved back to the Lil B as per normal naming standards. Since that page has more history than just a simple redirect, I can't perform the move myself. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Jafeluv (talk) 09:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge

After User:Karppinen decided that this article didn't meet WP:MUSIC and redirected it to The Pack (group), someone recreated the article at Lil B (rapper). Now, this was an incorrect thing to do, as the editor should instead have disputed the redirect. In any event, though, I believe the article is now sufficient to show that Lil B meets WP:GNG, which should be sufficient to keep the article. Any user, of course, is welcome to recommend the article for deletion, however, if they disagree. To finish tidying up, I merged over some of the useful information from Lil B (rapper), and then redirected that article back to this one (since there is only one Lil B, this is the correct article title). Qwyrxian (talk) 01:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

The article could be better, but appears to meet WP:GNG guideline now. Well done, Qwyrxian. Karppinen (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Blsupr (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Birth day/ Age

Brandon McCartney or LIL B is 21 years old, which would have him being born on August, 17th 1989, not 1987. I don't know why that edit got reverted. Someone please change it back to 1989 because he makes numerous references in songs and interviews to being 21 years of age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.9.12.252 (talk) 19:59, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Could you please provide a link to one of those interviews? What we really need is a reliable source to verify when he was born. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Here is a Newspaper article: Washington Post article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.9.11.190 (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Citations for discography

Normally an artist's discography doesn't need citations. But the problem is people keep adding and removing albums all of the time, and I have no way to tell if they're accurate or not. So, apparently, information about his discography falls under "challengeable" info, and thus must be cited. So no more albums can be added unless a reliable source verifies them. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Place of birth?

Can anyone verify that he is in fact from Berkeley? I can't provide a source, but I'm pretty sure he actually grew up in Albany, California and/or attended Albany High School. Dwarfyperson (talk) 01:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

ever heard of busing? his school ID said albany high school but that doesn't necessarily say anything about where he actually lived. 71.167.229.39 (talk) 16:14, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

That is a valid point, but (again, not a reliable source) coming from albany myself, I know that not very many inter-district transfers are granted because it's such a small high school, and that people often confuse it with berkeley because it's such a small city. I'm still of the opinion that this should be looked into. Dwarfyperson (talk) 14:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from AdamWehib916, 17 May 2011

Lil B was born in 1989 not 1987. He always says so in his songs...

AdamWehib916 (talk) 04:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Unfortunately, his songs don't count as a reliable source, since nothing requires that he tell the truth in them. However, after checking the article, I see that our birthdate wasn't verified, either. So until we get a reliable source stating which date/year is correct, it needs to stay out entirely. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand why you think he'd want to lie about his age. Do you want a birth certificate or something? It's not like he's running for president of the United States, its an article on-line that no one should take seriously in terms of factual information anyway.Also, http://www.basedworld.com/?p=2627. Yes, its self published but the fact stands that again he's consistently being referred to as being born in 89. Unless he's lying, its Aug 17th 1989. I don't think articles should be built with the mindset that a man would lie about such a thing, otherwise we'd have no actual verification that his real name is Brandon McCarthy either. 24.161.42.2 (talk) 09:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

His blog actually counts as a reliable source for this info, but, unfortunately, that post doesn't say anything about the year he was born. Yes, the naked lady picture has an age, but I'm not willing to accept that picture as reliable. If he had written his age himself, we could accept it, but not the pic. I think. I suppose i could ask at WP:RSN...I'll do that tomorrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The one response at RSN (which you can read at WP:RSN#Birthday, in a picture, on a blog post.... agrees with my interpretation that the pic just isn't reliable enough to get a year from. If you do find a reliable source for the birthday, please post here and I'll certainly add it. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Does Myspace count? http://www.myspace.com/packalbums 24.161.42.2 (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Where on that page is his birthday listed? I can't find it (there's a lot of randomness on that page). Qwyrxian (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

It says he's 21 next to his picture topleft. In this case its not independent arithmetic; Myspace takes the birthday you give them and automatically spits out an age. 24.161.42.2 (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that we can use the two SPS combined to get the birthday & year. I can't add it right now, because I can't open up those websites at work (I want to get a full "cite web"), but I'll add them later. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Alright, it's added now. The dates are in both the infobox and the opening line of the lead, and the references are in the infobox. Thanks for the work tracking down the sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

Lil B should be listened under the category "Ambient musicians" and synthesizer should be added to his instruments. Source: http://pitchfork.com/news/40102-lil-b-releases-ambient-album/ 76.246.254.69 (talk) 20:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I added ambient as a category and to genres in the info box; however, while the articles says there is synthesizer sounds, it doesn't state that Lil B actually performed them. If someone owns the actual CD and can confirm that the liner notes indicate he himself performed the synthesizer, I'll add it. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Category

I removed the LGBT activist category. Naming an album "I'm Gay" is not sufficient to qualify as LGBT activism. There was no reliable source for the ambient genre either. Also, the article subject doesn't belong in the LGBT studies Wikiproject - the album would, if it were created. Hekerui (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I concur with that; not sure who added it; it may have been sincere, or it may have been vandalism--the article itself gets a lot of it when it's not semi-protected. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Alternate Definition?

How is happy considered the "alternate definition" of the word gay? It was the original -- and still denotatively standard -- definition of the word. If anything, it is homosexual that is the alternate definition of the word. -- Nonstopdrivel (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Because it's no longer the most common usage of the word. The main meaning of a word is not defined by which came first historically, its by the meaning that is most commonly meant when speakers/writers of the language use the word. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Birth year

The article states that he was born in 1989, yet he is filed under "Category: 1987 births". Well, which is it? 173.2.165.251 (talk) 09:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Good catch, thanks; after we corrected the birthday (see discussion above), I totally forgot about the categories. It's fixed now. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Mixtapes

Mixtapes are generally not considered to be relevant or notable contributions. I have removed the entire list. The only reason to list any of them would be if we could verify that 1) they existed and 2) that they were particularly important. Note that this needs to be verification in reliable sources, not from his homepage or twitter feed or whatever. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Lil B has not released any albums; he says he has only released mixtapes. The Albums section should be changed to Mixtapes. (Patrick) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.69.172.88 (talk) 11:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources call them albums, so that's what we call them. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You appear to be operating under the assumption that the individual mixtapes have to be notable. That is not the case. Please review WP:NNC and WP:LISTN. You do have a point that the mixtapes must actually exist, but that can be verified trivially with a google search. .froth. (talk) 08:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

No, I was merely misusing the word "notable", in that I was using in its everyday sense rather than it's Wikipedia-sense. I'm trying to say here that mixtapes are not considered important enough even to be listed. Mere existence is not enough to guarantee inclusion in Wikipedia; information also has to meet WP:UNDUE. And unless there is some evidence that these mixtapes are important, then they should not be included. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me draw an analogy: we do not list every letter written by a famous author. We do not list every blog post by famous blogers. We do not list every interview done my famous newscasters. We list information that is encyclopedic. And mixtapes don't meet that qualification. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Four of the mix tapes have full reviews on pitchfork, and I cited them. Therefore his mixtapes can be notable, they're not just ephemera like individual blog posts or interviews. But regardless of any of that, the ones I cited must stay, and you have no argument there. .froth. (talk) 21:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Is pitchfork a reliable source? I don't know anything about it, but I trust you if you say it is. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

On 12 August 2012 Lil B posted this on his Facebook page: The BasedGod HAS RELEASED AN ALBUM !! 1 ONLY!! :::::: "THE BASEDGOD" IS DIFFRENT FROM LIL B AND "THE BASEDGOD" IS PERFECT LIL B IS ON HIS WAY,

"CHOICES AND FLOWERS" WAS THE BASEDGOD ONLY ALBUM RELEASE

LIL B HAS DROPPED ONLY MIXTAPES - Lil B

LIL B WILL KEEP U UPDATED WITH HIS FIRST ALBUM HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER 6 YEARS"

I think that's the official truth about his albums and mixtapes.

86.50.119.28 (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 65.32.198.138, 17 August 2011

HE ISNT SIGNED TO A RECORD LABEL 65.32.198.138 (talk) 17:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Based on the source listed he is signed to Amalgam Digital. Jnorton7558 (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Article title move

"Lil B" was moved to "Brandon McCartney" with the argument that the "bio requires real name". I can't find that argument in WP:COMMONNAME, but the policy states that "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." This would mean Lil B, comparable to Lil Wayne. I propose the article be moved back with its protection setting. Hekerui (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

That's true for Lil Wayne. Lil B Is most commonly known as Brandon McCarthy.Greg Heffley 19:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

How? Rolling Stone, Allmusic know him as Lil B, he was in a notable group under that name and performs under that name. It's also all over his website, while his birthname is used twice: in "Brandon 'Lil B' McCartney" and in a quote from a magazine profile. Can you give a reliable source for the claim that he is commonly known as Brandon McCarthy? Hekerui (talk) 20:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, HereGreg Heffley 20:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The name Lil B is used five times in the book's description, the name Brandon McCartney is used once. He's not notable as an author. The title of this article must be Lil B per WP:COMMONNAME. Hekerui (talk) 23:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The title should be Lil B, it is with that name that he is known, and people will search that.Millertime246 (talk) 00:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

While it does appear that the book was published under his name, all of his albums (for which he is better known) and the associated interviews, etc. all uses Lil B, thus this is the correct name for this article. A redirect at his birth name handles the problem of anyone who might search based on that name. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 February 2012

Add a picture for the profile. thumb|Add caption here

Jhavon (talk) 06:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

No thanks, because that image is of unclear copyright status, and is certain to be deleted in 7 days. To be honest, I'm pretty sure that image is a screen capture of a tv show, which means that it definitely can't be used here. For living people, Wikipedia only allows images that are public domain or CC-BY-SA compatible; that basically means you have to have taken it yourself for it to be used here. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:16, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Not Signed To Any Label and hasn't released any solo album, tons of missing info and links etc

First off he is not signed to any label whatsoever. The amalagm digital thing was not what it says it is at all. All of his releases that are listed under albums are in fact just projects and not official albums and there are way no mixtapes listed at all (which is pretty much all he's been making for the past 2 years, and there sure is a lot of them, that definitely need t be put on here). You can check his official datpiff page for a listing of all his released mixtapes http://www.datpiff.com/profile/LilBtheBasedGod

His twitters aren't listed, nor is his tumblr page. Nor is his youtube account

This has got to be one of the most poorly written articles I've seen on wikipedia. Mikewantjustice (talk) 13:28, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Cooking...

...is not a musical genre, according to the ref Badmachine used. It says, "B's signature dance, which literally involves miming the act of cooking, " (emphasis added). That's not a musical genre, it's just a style of dance Lil B invented. Furthermore, even if it were musical rather than dance, it still would not belong in that infobox, because that infobox is for musical genres; genres cannot, by their very definition, be something that just one musical artist does. Until such time as dozens of artists all include some particular signature musical elements in their albums/songs, it's not a genre. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

cooking is much more than that, it is the staple for those who live BASED. I shall find more sources and elaborate on it in the article. -badmachine 23:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You will need to find sources explicitly stating that it is a genre in order to include it in that parameter. As I said, that means that a variety of different singers/bands use it. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

here -badmachine 04:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I have also changed "cooking" to "based" because, while they carry the same meaning in basedworld, the sources given call the genre "based". -badmachine 04:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Still not a genre, I'm still reverting you. It's just a term that Lil B invented for what only he does. As I said above, one more time, by the definition of genre, until it's something that lots of people do, until people start talking about the best "based" songs of 2011, until writers are arguing about whether based is an offshot of rap or of hip hop or whatever, it CANNOT be in the genre box. You may include discussion of it in the text, but it's just, not, a genre. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:31, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Where is your definition of genre coming from? Even so, there are other artists such as Yung God involved in based music. -badmachine 17:05, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Any dictionary, our WP article genre, etc. A genre, by definition, is something done by a group of people. Not by one person. And some random other non-notable person don't count...and you still haven't produced a single source that even implies that "based" is a genre. This discussion is, in all honesty, a waste of time. Come back in 5 or 10 years if there has become this big, widely recognized style of music called Based. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I have provided a reliable source claiming it to be a genre, as well as other artists involved. Those being your original criteria, I feel that at this point your argument is more of a JDL than anything else. -badmachine 13:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

No you haven't. The sfweekly source doesn't use the word genre at all. If I'm somehow just not seeing it, please tell me what exact line in that article includes the word "genre". Qwyrxian (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Instruments

Lil B's "Instruments" section in the infobox only contains "Vocal", while it is well known that he programs his own synthesiser sounds in his rare secrete Dior Paint albums — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.252.171 (talk) 09:41, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 April 2012

HELLO I AM THE REAL LIL B "THE BASEDGOD" AND U ARE THE #1 SITE THAT COME UP ON MY GOOGLE SEARCH I WANT TO REVISE MY WIKI PAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE U HAVE ME SIGNED TO A LABEL THAT I DO NOT WORK WITH AND ASSOCITED WITH OTHER ARTIST THAT I DO NOT WANT TO BE I WANT TO GIVE YOU FACTS AND TRUTH PLEASE CONTACT ME ASAP BECAUSE THIS IS URGENT AS WELL AS YOU DONT HAVE INFORMATION ON THE FIRST BOOK I WROTE I WANT TO UPDATE EVERYTHING THIS IS MY PROFILE

THANK YOU WIKI THIS PAGE HAS OUT DATE INFORMATION http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_B

MY SOURCES http://www.facebook.com/LILBTHEBASEDGOD

https://twitter.com/#!/LILBTHEBASEDGOD

http://www.kelebooks.com/our-books/takin-over/

THESE ARE ALL ME AND I HAVE MORE PLEASE LET ME NO ASAP! WANNA GET TO BOTTOM Of THIS

Drakescool (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

First of all, odds are a thousand to one that you are Lil B. Second, those are not reliable sources for this kind of information--please see WP:RS. Finally, though, just in case you are Lil B, you should not be editing the article, though you are free to make suggestions on this talk page. Please state exactly what you think is wrong, say what it should be changed to, and provide reliable sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

OK I GURENTEE THIS IS ME LIL B PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA TWITTER @LILBTHEBASEDGOD AND I WILL PROMISE TO CONTACT AND FOLLOW U BACK FOR DM BECAUSE I WANT TO EDIT MY WIKI PAGE THIS IS PRIVATE INFORMATION U GUYS ARE CREATING THATS NOT TRULY FACT SO YES THIS IS LIL B

CONTACT ME VIA TWITTER BECAUSE CANOT GIVE EMAIL OVER THE FOURM SO THIS IS ME

@LILBTHEBASEDGOD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drakescool (talk • contribs) 08:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

First, if you want to verify your identity, go to WP:OTRS and contact our community response team. But second, even if you are Lil B, as I said before, we will not add something to your Wikipedia page just because you say it is correct. We need the information to be verifiable--that means it has to be published in a reliable source somewhere. Also, please do not use such long section titles; and don't start a new section to reply to someone--just add it in the same section as before. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

found an image

would this work? 300px -badmachine 03:00, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

What possible use would that image have for this article? Qwyrxian (talk) 07:15, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

thats lil b isnt it? -badmachine 22:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Very funny, badmachine. Derpian (talk) 08:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Highly Relevant Article

Would love to see someone take this information from the San Francisco Bay Guardian and add it to the article.

http://www.sfbg.com/2010/09/07/man-behind-meme — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.27.85 (talk • contribs)

You are correct, that may be useful; I'll take a look. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I added some info in a Style section; let me know if you think there's more relevant things that should be added. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:23, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Musical Style and Cultural Importance

This article completely jumps over why Lil B is famous. He began his rapping career with very serious, thought out songs, but then made an attempt to parody the music industry. "Bill Bellany", I think, was the first major representation of this. The song consists of him bragging about how many felonies he has, interspersed with the word "swag". These are two common themes in his subsequent songs: admiration due to crime, and the endless repetition of slang words in music. Other themes include how he "fucked your bitch", or how he's the "based god" -- these poke at the sexuality and arrogance of rap culture.

What's important to understand about his popular songs is that all of them are very tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps you have seen kids "acting gangster" by pretending to use their hands as guns and saying, "yo, whatup my homie G" in circumstances where this would not normally be expected. This is exactly what his music is for college aged students. "You should really study more." "Yeah, well too bad I fucked yo' bitch. How many felonies you got?" It's humor, and both Lil B and his fans know it. (Top youtube comment: "This is the biggest troll on hip hop.")

Lil B's role as a parody rapper would be mentioned in the first four seconds of a conversation about him, but it's completely missing from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.27.85 (talk • contribs)

Please provide reliable sources that verify that this is an appropriate way to characterize him, noting, of course, that fan comments, including Youtube comments, are not reliable sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

The problem with verifiable sources is that Lil B's persona is ambiguously constructed; he never gives the game away by declaring that his music is a satire of modern rap. There is evidence that this is how it is critically perceived however. A reese news article (http://reesenews.org/2011/07/11/critics-corner-the-irony-of-lil-b/17110/) puts it well "The ambiguity of Lil B — the person, the artist, the social media baron — and whether anything he does is intentional, incidental or somewhere in between is surely a large part of his appeal." Here is a 2nd article commenting on the ironic nature of his music: http://pitchfork.com/features/inbox/8795-the-curious-case-of-lil-b/ . Although these cannot prove the humorous intent in the music, many listeners definitely perceive it ironically.

Apart from this, some of Lil B's music is undeniably serious; for example this recent ambient music album of only instrumental tracks http://www.prefixmag.com/news/lil-b-releases-a-classical-music-album-someone-go-/65581/ . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultimatedanm (talk • contribs) 16:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I had to remove one comment because it directly insulted living people, a violation of WP:BLP (even on talk pages). As for Ultimatedanm, reese's and prefix's are not news articles, they're blogs, which do not qualify as reliable sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 16:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Image for the page

Contacted Lil B asking for a picture under a permissive license. Derpian (talk) 08:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, thanks! Please note that it needs to be extremely permissive--it has to be CC-BY-SA. THat means that anyone can copy it, re-use it, and alter it. They can even take the pic and then put it in a book and then sell it. And the license cannot be just for Wikipedia--it must be a truly "free" license. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:04, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Base World Pt. 1 should be removed

Just a quick heads up that "Base World Pt. 1" is not official. Its a fan mixtape that borrows its cover from another one called "Internet Legend: The Myspace Messiah". Just because it was reviewed by Pitchfork doesn't make it something he compiled (does it?). if we operate under that basis then you would assume the publisher of this mixtape on Datpiff "LilBsodmg"'s two other mixtapes "Base World Pt. 2", "Black Ken (Preview)" and unrelated "The Dope House" are official.

LINKS http://www.datpiff.com/LIL-B-LIL-B-Base-World-Pt-1-mixtape.118201.html http://www.datpiff.com/profile/LilBsodmg http://www.datpiff.com/Lil-B-For-Lil-Boss-Internet-Legend-The-Myspace-Messiah-mixtape.20208.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.251.133 (talk) 03:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

mixtapes

I added a link to his mixtapes in the external links section. The list is obnoxiously long and adds nothing encyclopedic to the content. Anyone interested in the mixtapes, which the article mentions, can easily find them. Icarus of old (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I notice many artists have separate articles for their respective discographies, could that method be implemented here to shorten the page but still provide the information? felt_friend 23:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Lil B and the 'BasedGod'

Lil B has said on several occasions (via his Twitter and Facebook page) as well as his videos that Lil B and the 'BasedGod' are two separate entities entirely and, additionally, that the 'BasedGod' might not even really exist. The article states, however, that "Brandon McCartney (born August 17, 1989), known by his stage name Lil B or The BasedGod"

Yeah, no, Lil B and the BasedGod are two different people entirely. Any fan and even Lil B will tell you that. Requesting someone changes it to clarify, thanks.

--2602:30B:825A:DBA9:B552:9178:2AF2:23BE (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Genre

Would it be appropriate to add "stream of consciousness" or something related under the "genre" tag to better define Lil B's style? This exact wording has been used to describe his work before, most notably in the Pitchfork Media review for I'm Gay[1]. felt_friend 22:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

there are now several references out there, where "based music" and "cooking" are explained, but this article is forever doomed to be outdated due to ownership issues from Qwyrxian who has sworn an oath to keep the article free of the truth in his quest to keep all things gay and black out of his encyclopedia. 172.56.8.114 (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

• I did try to change the genre, and the edit was undone, per the documentation for the infobox:

The genre or genres of music performed by the act. Aim for generality (e.g. [[Hip hop music|Hip hop]] rather than [[East Coast hip hop]]). Genres should be separated with a comma delimiter. Genres should be wikilinked. Use piped links where needed, for example: [[Pop music|Pop]], [[Rock music|rock]]. Note: most genres are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized. However, the first word in a list of multiple genres should be capitalized.

This is unfortunate, given that Lil B's music is described as not quite matching any genre, but this is not something I know enough about to argue for the change. What I would like User:STATicVapor to reconsider is their restoration of the British spelling of "apologised" (with an American artist, the custom is to use US English, it seems), and the word "knockout" is a noun when spelled like that, so I had changed it to the verb phrase "knock out". Westin D^odger 20:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I already fixed the spelling of apologized, but you can go ahead and fix "knock out". In the future changes to genres in the infobox should always be discussed and backed by multiple reliable sources. STATic message me! 22:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll pass, thanks. :) Westin D^odger 23:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Yet another source explaining the growing phenomenon of Based music and the Cooking Dance. Like the Mashed Potato Time, Come on Do the Jerk, monkey (dance), the twist, the watusi, the stroll, the electric slide, and a bunch of other shit i'm not hunting for because Qwyrxian will only delete it because of his strong desire to keep all things gay and happy out of his encyclopedia. Anyway the source that will be ignored is:

• http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/01/27/133245953/lil-b-understanding-raps-new-rebel

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184.8.108.37 (talk) 23:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2013

Lil B released another mixtape, "05 Fuck Em" on Christmas Eve, 2013. Themooseatestuff (talk) 00:45, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Done Thanks, added the info. 2Flows (talk) 09:41, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Joey Bada$$

should be added to the Joey Bada$$ part of the article that Joey said he didn't delete his twitter because of Lil B's fans, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0X23k4pM_o — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.75.3.251 (talk) 18:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I added that to the Joey Badass section. Thanks for the help. :) (by the way, the relevant part of the video is at about 04:10 IIRC. Westin D^odger 16:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2014

Lil B was featured on Soulja Boy's "30 Thousand 100 Million" off of his 2010 album The DeAndre Way and Sole and the Skyrider Band's "Bad Captain Swag" off of their 2011 album Hello Cruel World.

Please add this to the "Discography" section.

Guest appearances

• Soulja Boy - "30 Thousand 100 Million" from The DeAndre Way (2010)
• Sole and the Skyrider Band - "Bad Captain Swag" from Hello Cruel World (2011)

Sources:

• Amidon, David (February 10, 2011). "Soulja Boy Tell 'Em: The DeAndre Way". PopMatters.
• Breihan, Tom (July 18, 2011). "Sole and the Skyrider Band: Hello Cruel World". Pitchfork Media.

122.17.118.32 (talk) 09:21, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

•  Done ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Joey Bada$$ says beef was stagedg

On this VladTV interview (June-19-2014) Joey said that his beef with Lil B was stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrpUcA6184 — Preceding unsigned comment added by B23Rich (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The genres listed for Lil B are hip hop and "Based," which redirects to cloud rap. Although Lil B was early to rap over beats by cloud rap-pioneering producers like Clams Casino, he has also rapped over everything from metalcore, Slowdive and anime samples to the witch house stylings of Salem. I think a more accurate description of Lil B's genres would be "hip hop, ambient, rock." 75.140.109.68 (talk) 22:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Genre (again)

I was told to discuss this issue here: why is there opposition to having Cloud rap listed under genre in the infobox? The articles for Pink Floyd, Magma, P-Model, and countless others include other genres than simply "rock", so why just list the hugely inclusive "Hip hop" here? felt_friend 04:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

The person who pushed out your edit and sent you here already participated in the genre discussion above. Template documentation is not part of the MOS, and two (or more!) genres are indeed allowed in the infoboxes. This is an ownership issue by the user who keeps edit warring out the supplementary genre, while (unironincally?) calling you a "genre warrior":

“ (cur | prev) 20:33, 12 September 2013‎ STATicVapor (talk | contribs)‎ . . (18,653 bytes) (-70)‎ . . (Reverted good faith edits by Felt friend (talk): WP:GWAR. (TW)) (undo | thank) ”

The controversial nature of this artist means that this article will continue to be incomplete due to true "genre warriors" like STATicVapor. This could be taken to one of the infamous Wikipedia drama spots, like ani or one of the others, but I doubt it would have any effect. Eddymason (talk) 12:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

You cannot just ignore Template: Infobox musical artist, a guideline that says that the genre in the infobox should be generalized. Various subgenres would be discussed in a Musical style section. Not to mention neither of you have cited reliable sources for your additions so you are violating the Wikipedia policy against original research. Since I am not at all a genre warrior (I do not add genres without sources), that could be taken as a personal attack. I could resort to those, but someone has to be a grown man here. STATic message me! 15:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

This particular "guideline" is no reason to revert valid changes to the article. From the infobox documentation:

“ The genre or genres of music performed by the act. Aim for generality (e.g. [[Hip hop music|Hip hop]] rather than [[East Coast hip hop]]) and preferably use 2-4. Genres should be separated by using commas or {{flatlist}}.[1] Genres should be wikilinked. Use piped links where needed, for example: [[Pop music|Pop]], [[Rock music|rock]]. Note: most genres are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized. However, the first word in a list of multiple genres should be capitalized. Genres that are sourced in the article itself do not require a source in the infobox, but sometimes it can be useful to have the source listed again anyway, to help prevent edit warring. ”

So your assertion that one genre in the infobox is the maximum, and 'sources must be added to the infobox or else you are a "genre warrior"' is contradicted by the "guideline": "[P]referably use 2-4", and "[g]enres that are sourced in the article itself do not require a source in the infobox". And yeah I suppose that a wikilawyer would characterize my assessment of you as a "genre warrior" as a "personal attack", just as your assertion that you are the only "grown" person here could be characterized by me as a personal attack, but that would be petty. Cordially, Eddymason (talk) 18:16, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• It is interesting to note that despite contributing to Wikipedia in the couple of days since the above was posted, STATicVapor has not seen fit to reply to the deconstruction of his argument, seen above. Based on this, I intend to restore the material, with two sources. Cordially, Eddymason (talk) 02:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

You forgot one important part Eddymason, Genres that are sourced in the article itself do not need additional sources in the lead. It is currently NOT sourced in the article itself so you were violating the Wikipedia policy against original research. That is something that you try to add to the article that is based off your own knowledge or opinion of the subject. I never said one was the maximum, in hip hop articles it usually is, that has been the overall consensus. You two could have easily wanted to add this genre if anyone would have taken five seconds to provide reliable sources cited in the article from the beginning. It is not that hard at all. I do not even know what a wikilawyer is LOL, but yes you are not remaining civil for no reason at all. It is sad you could not wait two whole days from a response from me, but it is irrelevant so you should not even feel the need to comment on it. STATic message me! 07:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I would like to see evidence of this "overall consensus" that one genre is "usually" the maximum for hip-hop articles. For someone unfamiliar with wikilawyering, you sure do know the WP:ALLCAPS jargon that is typical of a wikilawyer, but for future reference, see Wikipedia:Wikilawyering. Cordially, Eddymason (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

It is for emphasis, since either you do not bother to read or just choose not to take in half the things I say. Just pick five popular rappers off the top of your head, look at the articles and it most likely just says hip hop in the infobox. You cannot even find good enough sources to support your addition, which explains why someone else reverted it. How about you address that? STATic message me! 15:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed source: http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/daughn-gibson-all-hell -- additionally, "hip-hop" alone would describe Lil B about as accurately as "electronic" would describe Vangelis. Lil B's music is far from fitting within the spectrum of what is normally considered "hip-hop" and imo should be denoted as such. felt_friend 20:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for approaching this is a mind manner, it makes discussing so much easier. Using that to source the listing would not work at all. The article is not even about him, they call one of his projects a somewhat similar "cloud-rap sound". There needs to be sources calling him a cloud rap artist, or describing his overall work as cloud rap. He still falls under the hip hop spectrum, his music is featured on hip hop websites, he charts on hip hop charts and if you would look in a store for his music, it would not be under any genre but hip hop/rap. I am not denying that his music could be covered under subgenres, the infobox is not meant to go into all that, especially minor ones like cloud rap. Any detailed subgenres that can be sourced could be covered under a musical style section, as you will notice most rock band pages will have, where the genres are sourced. STATic message me! 07:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Noted, I'll try to dig around a bit more to see if there's anything else that could be used to address this. Additionally, I've added "Classical" to the genre bit as per his Choices and Flowers release. This makes me wonder if "new age" could also be used, which would kind of help fill the search for something that details his music other than the widely applicable "hip-hop". Thoughts? felt_friend 13:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

These two sources categorize Lil B's production as "cloud rap" ([2], [3]). However another source ([4]) lists it among the array of hip hop subgenres (including trap, hyphy, etc.) that Lil B experimented with. Lil B releases music of many genres and since most of his music can be categorized under hip hop umbrella, I think it is best to keep it simple like that. Also according to the Choices and Flowers article itself, the album isn't classical (despite Lil B's claims). Myxomatosis57 (talk) 13:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Then how do we address that issue of the artist labeling their work something that some critics disagree with? I would personally go with Lil B's definition, though can we all agree that "new age" can be added? felt_friend 15:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

~::It can be stated in the article prose that Lil B described it as "classical"; however, the genre can't be included in the infobox as a fact, since Wikipedia only accepts third-party sources independent from the artist on these issues. On the new age, I'm not sure whether we should include it or not. He currently has three new-age influenced releases (if we also include Rain in England); nevertheless, these are still in the minority if we consider his expansive hip hop discography. I'd like to know what other contributors also think on this. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

In that case would "new age" at least be acceptable? felt_friend 17:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Reopening the genre debate

Although this issue is definitely more than a little worn out, but I recently noticed that Lil B's official Facebook page lists his genre as "based". Isn't that more than enough to warrant a change to the article that would also include "based" as a way to describe the music of Lil B? felt_friend 19:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Any reasonable person would say "yes", but the sections above show that such a change would be reverted by genre warriors. FWIW here are some new articles:

Transcript of the MIT appearance

• http://www.thefader.com/2014/11/22/lil-b-mit-lecture-full-transcript

Bay Area appearance

• http://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2014/12/17/thank-you-based-god-10-reasons-why-you-should-see-lil-b-this-weekend/

The house fire

• http://uproxx.com/smokingsection/2015/01/teen-saves-lil-b-from-house-fire/

The new app

• http://pitchfork.com/news/56737-lil-b-releases-basedmoji-app-for-all-your-based-god-emoji-needs/
• http://www.salon.com/2015/01/29/lil_b_launches_the_vegan_emoji_app_you_never_knew_you_needed/
• http://www.thefader.com/2015/01/28/lil-b-teams-up-with-vegan-food-company-to-create-emoji-app
• http://www.spin.com/articles/lil-b-iphone-based-god-basedmoji-emoji-app-download/
• http://www.dailydot.com/technology/lil-b-vegemoji-app/

This is from the above, and I think the "ashamed of eating meat" part (at least) should probably go in the article:

While the rapper isn’t vegan (I had to ask), he says he’s been trying to cut down on processed foods and admitted he’s “ashamed of eating meat.” Despite remaining a carnivore, Lil B says Follow Your Heart has been an inspiration to him, and working with the company was a natural fit. “I only want to do things that help people, so sometimes my projects take me awhile.”

It's starting to look more and more like "based" isn't only a genre, but instead is a way of life, and possibly even an occult variant, and maybe that's a better angle to approach this from. This article explicitly calls it a genre, but I cba to argue with those who would protect this article from the taint of truth. Eddymason (talk) 22:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree with brother Eddymason, there is too much notable coverage of "based" being, at the very least, an established genre for it not to be included in this article. felt_friend 03:00, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Since nobody has objected to this, I have gone ahead and updated the article to more accurately depict the artist. I couldn't find the ref for one of the Internet memes, so I will look around for that and add it tomorrow (unless someone could find and add it for me). (hint hint) Eddymason (talk) 04:45, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Also Lil B has collaborated with Gucci Mane on the song "Rolling Stone" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.233.150 (talk) 06:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Add the "Black Ken" mixtape to discography, also new Lil B app

this is pretty rare fam

http://illmixtapes.com/lil-b-black-ken-preview/?cat=7 http://www.datpiff.com/LIL-B-Black-Ken-preview-mixtape.125020.html

this is his new app which is all about making Lil B memes

https://instagram.com/p/1jVY4nuFZn/?taken-by=lilbisgod

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2015

It is really annoying that this entire Wikipedia entry is written in the wrong tense. "Would be" is not applicable- it sounds wrong, is wrong, and should be changed to the preterite tense. Clearly, the writer of this page was not so familiar with common verb tenses so much to avoid the trappings of this eyesore that is the conditional, past participle tense... just wretched English. It looks really bad, and for the sake of "Lil' B", this should be changed, immediately.

-English Major, Colorado State University

BenjMacc (talk) 01:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Done Ugh, you're right. Can't believe page stayed in this condition. Altamel (talk) 21:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Profile Picture taken in 2009

I'd just like to say, his main picture on his page is from 2009. If you need proof, check the previous version of basedworld.com through websitearchiver, you can see the background as that as far back as that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.148.110.190 (talk) 11:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

What previous version? The Flickr upload has quite a specific date for it? Karst (talk) 11:37, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2021

Where it says accociated acts thundercat should be added to that. Lordneckhair888 (talk) 18:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Fastest Rapper Alive

Due to current developing affiliation with the Exotic Hotrod Garage it's expected that Lil B may indeed become privy to "Stacked Deck" measures and methods and resulting works may exceed light speed and thus transcend 2603:7000:B800:C5C0:B4CE:D099:981D:A26B (talk) 20:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Swag Like Ohio

Swag Like Ohio is used in memes. Can we get a mention of that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.91.231.159 (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2022 (UTC)