Talk:Leslyn Lewis

Opening paragraph

The last sentence is incorrect but I’m not sure what I want to edit it to of these three options:

She is the first visible minority woman to run for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada.

She is running to be the first visible minority woman to lead any of the three major federal Canadian parties.

She is only the second black woman of Caribbean descent to run for the leadership of any of the three major federal Canadian parties. TimFavelle (talk) 01:16, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Probably use one for the opening paragraph and one of the others to replace the last sentence of the Politics section. TimFavelle (talk) 01:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

User:TimFavelle, happy to add this, if you have a news source showing the other such candidate? Isingness (talk) 02:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Rosemary Brown ran for the NDP leadership in the 1970s and finished a strong second to Broadbent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Brown_(politician) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:5223:F300:7D42:B023:B9CF:731E (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you are quite right. The ref cited in the lede para didn't even say that, so I have removed that claim. - Ahunt (talk) 20:35, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Dual Jamaican citizenship?

We say that Lewis was born in Jamaica, which appears to award citizenship to anyone born in its territory. This would seem to mean she has dual citizenship unless she renounced it, or lost it upon gaining Canadian Citizenship. Anyone aware of any sources on this concerning Lewis' citizenship? We shouldn't add this based on WP:OR but I would expect there would be some sources out there if it is true.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Rosa Parks

Ahunt today inserted a claim that Ms Lewis compared herself to Rosa Parks. I reverted, but Ahunt one minute later re-inserted. As I said in my edit summary, her tweet https://twitter.com/leslynlewis/status/1451894937071595520 did not mention Rosa Parks, this is unsourced. Ahunt should also have known about WP:BLPUNDEL, and that her name is not "Lewis Lewis". Any other opinions? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

It is not unsourced, it is taken from the cited WP:RS in accordance with WP:BLP. The source, directly quoted, says: Lewis also likened herself to civil rights activist Rosa Parks for objecting to the recently announced mandatory vaccination policy for MPs. “The media and the power structure expect me to sit in the back of the bus. I won’t!” Lewis tweeted on Saturday. The media source was quite right to draw the line between Lewis' comment and her reference to Parks, as clearly that was what Lewis intended. Norfolk County Councillor Kim Huffman also drew that same conclusion in the article's quote: “You are no Rosa Parks,” tweeted Norfolk County Councillor Kim Huffman, who told The Spectator Lewis’s choice of language was “both inflammatory and completely reckless.” “The truth is out there in terms of vaccination and the research into vaccinations,” Huffman said, adding she was “very dismayed” to see Lewis casting aspersions on the vaccine. “We’ve spent a lot of time in getting people to be vaccinated, and to have someone tweet something so careless … it’s very disappointing,” said Huffman, who sits on the local board of health. So if you actually read the whole cited ref you will see it is well-sourced. I would also argue for inclusion that this is not a trivial issue or incident, as it presents a similar challenge to the party leadership that Derek Sloan did, so is likely to lead to further action over the story. - Ahunt (talk) 15:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, at least you corrected your mistake about her name, and aren't disputing that her tweeting didn't mention Rosa Parks. I asked for other opinions. If there are none, I will take it to WP:BLPN. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

There is really nothing to dispute. The same article, word for word, has been carried in other WP:RS, including The Toronto Star. - Ahunt (talk) 14:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay I see you have started a discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Leslyn_Lewis, so let's see how that concludes and then we can close this discussion. - Ahunt (talk) 21:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Most participants in the WP:BLPN discussion did not favour adding this to the article at this time. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Actually I just re-read the entire discussion and the tally is seven participants: one explicitly against including the "Rosa Parks" issue and three explicitly for including it, while the others were just discussing the issue in general. The BLP noticeboard discussion was overall a waste of time and a distraction from fixing this issue and the article itself. In following the whole issue in the media reports since then, though, very little has been made of the "Rosa Parks" comment over the last few weeks, while, more recently it has been noted that her anti-vaccination stance got her excluded from O'Toole's shadow cabinet. So, since I have the refs collected, I will add a summary of her basic positions to the lede and a more detailed rundown and the current consequences in the article body, without mentioning the Rosa Parks issue. - Ahunt (talk) 16:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done - Ahunt (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 statements and shadow cabinet

Ahunt on 15 November added a section and Wallyfromdilbert on November 16 removed some of it. I believe that the rest should also be removed or significantly changed as the sourcing appears poor for two major things. One: publicly stated her opposition to COVID-19 vaccines and in particular vaccine mandates for MPs and vaccines for children: perhaps I'm missing something but I didn't see she was opposing COVID-19 vaccines in general, or non-COVID-19 vaccine mandates for MPs, or non-COVID-19 vaccines for children, although I think we'd be okay with publicly stated her opposition to COVID-19 vaccine mandates for MPs and questioned COVID-19 vaccines for children. Two: Her position caused her to be omitted from party leader Erin O'Toole's shadow cabinet. In leaving her out O'Toole stated, "we selected experienced MPs who are prepared to fight inflation, prepared to fight the Liberal-NDP coalition and also to address vaccine hesitancy. It's very important for leaders in our shadow cabinet to play that role". O'Toole stated that he expects his MPs to promote vaccines and leave all discussion about their efficacy to health experts. Um, Mr O'Toole didn't say anything clearly like "I'm leaving out Leslyn Lewis because of her position". That is speculation. But it's plausible enough that I think we'd be okay with an attributed statement per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV: Her position may have caused her to be omitted from the Conservative shadow cabinet. As CBC reported the matter, "Notably absent from the critics' list are MPs who have voiced opposition to COVID-19 vaccine policies." So I'm not opposing mention, just suggesting compromise words that I believe policy would require. Any other suggestions? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I do not have time to go through the sources myself, but I agree with this analysis and the suggested changes. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I changed as described. Later I noticed an article "MP Leslyn Lewis on COVID, vaccines & vax-passes" but didn't see something that helps or hinders what we've got now. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Meeting with Christine Anderson

Patar knight on 25 Februry 2023 added material beginning with the words "In February 2023, Lewis, along with fellow Conservative MPs Colin Carrie and Dean Allison, had dinner with Christine Anderson, a Member of the European Parliament representing Alternative for Germany who was on a Canadian tour of right-wing media and convoy protest supporters." I partially undid.2001:569:be8b:ee00:8021:f93a:66db:ff59 on 2 March 2023 added material beginning with exactly the same words. I undid again, 2001:569:be8b:ee00:f94d:72e0:afd1:b0d inserted again, and I guess it's time to see whether others have opinions about what's been added. Please read all that's there now. Who thinks due, who thinks undue? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)