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Although I'm sure the term "far-right" is well sourced, the language in the rest of the article (and especially the lead) imply that this is more of a general right-wing conspiracy theory, which could bring confusion to readers. For example, in the first sentence, the article can't seem to agree with itself whether the subject is predominantly far-right or mainstream conservative.
At the end of the lead, it is stated that potentially 29% of Americans support the conspiracy theory - and that it is very divided by political party. Assuming that America is demographically 50% right-leaning (exactness is not the intent of this point), then it could be extrapolated that roughly 55-60% of the American right-wing would support or agree with this conspiracy theory, which to readers would fit the definition of mainstream conservative. This is a bit confusing, and readers of the article (including myself) may not understand what the actual demographic of the conspiracy theory is.
I don't have any specific x-to-y changes in mind, but I would suggest adjusting the wording to make it clear whether this is far-right or mainstream. The reason. I am writing this is because I myself do not understand what the article is trying to say about it. NPOV Enthusiast (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
The opening suggests the conspiracy theory itself is far right, not necessarily the people who share it. Someone might consider themselves left-wing but hold one or more far-right beliefs, for example. The stats don't really refute anything - all it means is that at least 29% of Americans hold at least one far-right opinion.
In terms of "mainstream", I guess it could mean "mainstream" in the same way Fox News or the Daily Mail are "mainstream" (i.e., widely read/watched). The conspiracy theory has certainly become widespread. Lewisguile (talk) 19:17, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
MAybe, but unless those people are RS its irrelevant. Slatersteven (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
The fundamental issue is that "mainstream" and "popular" are terms that don't at all in American English correlate with "centrist", "moderate", "rational", and/or "reasonable".
To use a thought experiment, if Donald Trump decided tomorrow after having a bad stomachache that everybody who eats ice cream with nuts should be put into interment camps with the dessert banned, then it would immediately become the standard political position that 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans now suddenly want to exterminate the scourge of that dastardly treat that's actually killing the U.S. from within. The notion would swiftly be "mainstream" and "popular" according to the literal definitions found in dictionaries such as Webster's one. That's that. Of course, the viewpoint would be neither "centrist" nor anything else mentioned above. It would still be post-truth nonsense that 2/3 to 1/2 of Americans oppose strongly. It would also be, in a way that can't be denied, "mainstream" and "popular".
While it's uncomfortable at best that you could, say, lift an Austrian neo-Nazi and put him in New York City, and then he/she/they would immediately go from having relatively unpopular, fringe beliefs to relatively popular, mainstream beliefs, that's the political world that exists. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
We're literally talking about dictionary definitions. See here for "mainstream". See here for "popular". Those and related terms don't convey anything other than how a viewpoint is treated in an 'X' way or a 'Y' way by many people. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
But "mainstream" and "far-right" are not mutually exclusive. Thus discussing what mainstream means is irrelevant, we go with what RS say, not how we interpret it. If RS say this is far-right so do we, it does not matter how you or I define the term. Slatersteven (talk) 12:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
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