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One of the Boys has sold 7 million copies worldwide according to MTV

"For Perry, the debut would easily best the chart arrival of her breakthrough 2008 effort One of the Boys, which debuted on the charts and peaked at #9 with 47,000 sales; it went on to sell more than one million copies in the U.S. and seven million worldwide. Perry is looking to both beat the sophomore slump and cement her status as one of the world’s pop icons." - MTV (Source: http://www.mtv.com/news/1646527/katy-perry-fantasia-look-to-unseat-eminem-on-charts/) Just read the article if it's reliable (I'm sure of that), can you upgrade 'One of the Boys' worldwide sales? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 10:00, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Accepted per my comments here Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

According to Forbes, Teenage Dream has sold almost 6 million copies in US alone / PRISM has sold 10 million copies worldwide

• "Other top-ten singles from her first album with Capitol included “Waking Up in Vegas” and “Hot N Cold.” Then in 2010 she put out Teenage Dream, which has sold almost 6 million copies in the U.S. alone and launched five singles to No. 1 on the charts–a feat pulled off previously only by Michael Jackson." - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2015/06/29/how-katy-perry-became-americas-top-pop-export-the-forbes-cover-story/3/#75b5a00edc59)

I find it ironic that the album has sold 5.7 million copies WW while 6 million in US alone. Someone should update Teenage Dream's WW sales. Thank you.

• "PRISM has surpassed 10 million in total adjusted album sales worldwide." - Music Universe () — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 04:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

No, it takes into consideration track sales. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:16, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Katy Perry has sold nearly 30 million albums and 120 million singles worldwide // PRISM has sold 6 million copies worldwide

1. According to this article, Katy Perry has sold nearly 30 million albums and 120 million singles worldwide.

• http://revenantmedia.com/2015/11/01/katy-perry-becomes-first-female-artist-with-two-riaa-digital-diamond-awards%E2%80%8F/

2. PRISM has sold 6 million copies worldwide

• http://www.xl.sk/en/koncerty/katy-perry-prismatic-world-tour-2015-bratislava
• https://mct.tickets.de/en/customer/events/presale/47b9ff34d7d19378 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 06:48, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

None of them are remotely reliable sources, plus being WP:SPS. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:06, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Teenage Dream has sold 8 million copies worlwide

According to Idolator: "The 40-year-old’s debut LP The Dutchess was released way back in September, 2006. The album delivered five top five hits — a record until Katy Perry racked up five with Teenage Dream — and sold eight million copies worldwide." Idolator is reliable enough to update the sales of Teenage Dream. All other articles found on the internet have the same amount for worldwide sales of Teenage Dream. They all said it has sold 5.7 million copies but that's outdated. They just added all the available sales from the Wiki page of the album and used it as their source of sales. I think it's the right time to update the sales. This is the link of source: http://www.idolator.com/7628193/fergie-finishing-touches-new-album-double-dutchess

No; that is saying The Duchess sold 8 million. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Teenage Dream has sold 6 million copies worldwide

"...She has more than 12 million albums sold around the world more than five million sold on her first major label release, One of the Boys, and another six million worldwide sales on her follow up release, Teenage Dream." - PR Newswire (Jan. 24, 2014) http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2014/01/24/MN52199 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 05:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

PRISM has sold 11 million copies

There are several articles on the internet claiming that PRISM has sold 10 million copies. Well, Perry's official record label, Capitol Records has claimed that PRISM has sold 11 million copies adjusted albums worldwide. It is difficult to tell whether it was inflated but i think we can use this since it is reliable enough. Thank you! http://www.capitolrecords.com/katy-perry-composes-new-anthem-rise/ — Preceding

EMI Music Australia also confirmed this http://www.emimusic.com.au/katy-perry/ unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 05:26, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Definitely inflated. Labels are known to often exaggerate sales, which is why sources not affiliated with an artist are best to use for such figures. "Adjusted" in this case is based on combined album and individual song sales from what I can tell. It also likely includes album and/or song streams. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:58, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Katy Hudson

Katy Hudson shouldn't be included in her album count, it wasn't under the name Katy Perry, it wasn't with a major label, it was with an independent label, it was not part of the same career. Like with Meghan Trainor's independent albums, it should be listed separately under a sub-heading of independent albums and not be included in her album count. Fan4Life (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Given that Katy Hudson is her real name, it SHOULD be counted as Katy Hudson and Katy Perry are the same person. Labels and names used are irrelevant to whether an album is official when they are the same person. This album was also the beginning of her professional career even if it was a commercial failure. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:03, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

11m WW claimed sales of PRISM was reliable

I don't know what's the point of removing the sales of PRISM from 11 million to 4 million. I already updated the sales but there's an account who keeps on removing my update. You guys said that the source I provided was linked to the record label of Perry, which is Capitol Records. How can you say that NBC Sports was linked to Capitol Records? They are third party so it is reliable enough to prove that PRISM has sold 11 million copies worldwide. The source was used in Perry's Rise so it's clear that it is legit. Also, there is another source which can provide reliability. Lastly, they say that the sales of 11 million was inflated. Did it say on the sources that it is inflated? Even the older albums, for example, Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' claim to have 65 million sales WW, but the certified sales was far from it, having only 46 million certified sales. Same case with Adele's '21' which have 35 million claimed sales worldwide, 10 million difference with the certified sales of 25 million. So is it inflated? There is no big difference with the case of Perry's PRISM.

Here are the sources, just check it:

References

No, 11 million is a huge stretch and is hugely inflated. Use your head for once instead of going on repeating the same request. Even Mediatraffic which unofficially calculates the WW album totals reports a 3.9 million last sales. As for Thriller and 21? They are undercertified in many countries and their astronomical sales projections in major musical markets makes it easy to assess their overall sales. Now coming to the sources, NBC is a promotional tool associated with Olympics and has no candle a a third party reliable source in this case. Entertainment Focus is repeating the NBC source per wP:MIRROR. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 17:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I got it. I just want to clear some things here. Also, I'm using my head that's why I'm asking for justification and clarification here. Instead of being contented on 'factual information' here, I'm searching for possible updates, just wondering why my edits were removed. You are so pressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 18:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Katy Perry has sold 40 million albums and 125 million tracks worldwide (as of February 2017)

According to these articles, Perry's 10-year anniversary with the label and honored her extraordinary accomplishments, which include a cumulative 18 billion streams alongside worldwide sales of more than 40 million albums and 125 million tracks. Here are the articles: Yahoo: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/katy-perry-honored-global-sales-042100008.html PR Newswire: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/katy-perry-honored-for-global-sales-of-40-million-adjusted-albums-and-125-million-tracks-300405963.html http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/katy-perry-unleashes-new-single-chained-to-the-rhythm-300405526.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 08:34, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Not good to use. First of all, promotional press releases from artist's labels like that are subpar to begin with because they can often inflate figures. Secondly, "adjusted" numbers refer to figures that combine both streaming and pure sales. What really matters is the pure sales. It's better to get reports on pure sales from sources that aren't closely affiliated with an artist. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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false Numbers of sales of the WITNESS era

not a fan of her

but it is not fair to write 18,000 total of her last single

or 108,000 of RISE

they are definitely FIRST WEEK sales but they suggest that those singles had been sold totally 18,000 and 108,000 respective 2.247.247.83 (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

They have a note alongside that says the sales are till what date. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 05:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

What is the reason for blocking my account? Can you give a damn reason why the source is not valid. I used it on Katy Perry discography before then someone said it is not valid because I'm cherry-picking the sales update. The sales figures came from IFPI according to the site so why is it not valid? You also blocked some updates on sales of Dark Horse (13.2 m WW as of July 2017) and One of the Boys (7m WW as of October 2016) that did not came from ChartsMaster.org. Even the certifications of Feels (ARIA=Platinum, SNEP=Platinum), you blocked. You guys are kinda unfair.

ChartsMaster.org

What is the reason for blocking my account? Can you give a damn reason why the source is not valid. I used it on Katy Perry discography before then someone said it is not valid because I'm cherry-picking the sales update. The sales figures came from IFPI according to the site so why is it not valid? You also blocked some updates on sales of Dark Horse (13.2 m WW as of July 2017) and One of the Boys (7m WW as of October 2016) that did not came from ChartsMaster.org. Even the certifications of Feels (ARIA=Platinum, SNEP=Platinum), you blocked. You guys are kinda unfair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 13:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Do you understand the meaning of unreliable sources? I don't think you do because every edit of yours is to add gross, crap sources like golderby (a lottery site), chartmasters (a fan generated content), headlineplanet (a copyvio website). After all these years if you still have no clue about the reliability of website, then do us a favor, don't add any content. We are not here to give you a gold star for your edits. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 13:59, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Chained to the Rhythm US sales

Hi. I would like to clarify if we can use this source for the sales of Chained to the Rhythm. This is is the site. http://www.buzzanglemusic.com/wp-content/uploads/BuzzAngle-Music-2017-Mid-Year-U.S.-Report.pdf Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 07:58, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi ShaneFilaner, this is an example where we should not use this pdf. Why? Because first we need to understand that for US market, all valid sales are tabulated now by Nielsen SoundScan, which is a private establishment and does their own mid-year sales publication and reporting. So from where did BuzzAngle got this data? They have not attributed it to Nielsen SoundScan anywhere in the pdf document. Hence, that means that they have some means of getting the data, but no attribution. That makes them an unreliable source and hence we cannot use this data for possible WP:COPYVIO. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay. I got it. Thank you. How about those US sales of some songs that I've updated? Are the sources allowed? The sales figures came directly from Nielsen Soundscan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 09:27, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes they are absolutely fine as they are from Def Jam report directly affiliated to Nielsen. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 09:51, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2017

remove the single "hey, hey, hey" and add "save as draft" instead because Katy Perry released "Save as draft" as a single but she did not release "hey, hey, hey" as a single. Brunomca (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

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Save as Draft and Hey Hey Hey as official singles

Hey. I am confused whether "Save as Draft" and "Hey Hey Hey" are both considered as official singles. They are listed in this article as singles after "Swish Swish" but not in the Witness article. Can you clarify this concern? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneFilaner (talk • contribs) 07:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2017

Add "Save As Draft" in the "Singles" category before "Hey, Hey, Hey". This is my source: http://katyperry.wikia.com/wiki/Save_As_Draft_(song) Brunomca (talk) 22:44, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Not a reliable source. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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Save as Draft and Hey Hey Hey

Why are these non-singles included in the single section when the Witness album page won't claim them? SAD is clearly just a promo single sent to one type of radio to see if it stuck, while Katy herself said H3Y wouldn't be a single. Instead of creating edit wars in the page, let's just find consensus to remove them from the singles list and add them somewhere else. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 15:26, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Save as Draft may belong in that section as it was sent to AC radio in the US, so could be considered a 'single' of sorts...similar to how Hummingbird Heartbeat was sent to Australian pop radio & is also included in that section. Hey Hey Hey doesn't belong on the page at all in my opinion as it isn't a single (at least not yet) & hasn't charted anywhere of note. It's just an album track that had a music video made for it. S△M ^talk 04:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Can Hummingbird Heartbeat even be considered a single, though? The sources we have are an articles that lists singles that "should have been", and another one that states that the song peaked at #34 in the Australian Airplay Chart. Didn't it just randomly accumulate radio plays thanks to the overwhelming success of the era in the country? Random Taylor Swift tracks from her new album have been charting in the Slovakia's airplay chart, and they're not considered singles--there is no real source saying Hummingbird Heartbeat was, in fact, a radio single in Australia. IMO both HH and HHH should be removed from the single section. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 21:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

New song and video

http://katyperry.wikia.com/wiki/Hey_Hey_Hey_(song) 82.177.40.11 (talk) 15:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Move Hummingbird Heartbeat

Hummingbird Heartbeat was never an official Teenage Dream single, at best it MIGHT count as a promotional single because it got a lyric video. It was never sent to radios and rolled out as an official single. The source linked to Hummingbird Heartbeat even says that it's a track that NEVER got the recognition it deserves. The source says, "Although this track was serviced as the ninth (!!) single from Teenage Dream in Australia." The "(!!)" should be taken with a grain of salt. In my opinion, the singles section should be relative to worldwide singles and Hummingbird Heartbeat should either be removed from the list or brought down to promotional singles. Let me know what you think...--Itsevren (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Re:Save as Draft and Hey Hey Hey

Hi there @Ss112: and @SNUGGUMS:! We need to clarify whether "Save as Draft" was a promotional single and "Hey Hey Hey" is another official single after "Swish Swish" or not. This gets changed nearly daily and it is confusing to me (as the one whi expanded the respective articles). Best; Cartoon network freak (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

"Hey Hey Hey" is only known to have a music video release so far, which doesn't automatically equate to single release. Regarding "Save as Draft", I'm not sure whether it was promotional single, but the fact that articles by Exclaim!, Fuse, and even Billboard from back this past August refer to "Swish Swish" as the "latest" single from Witness after a supposed June AC release gives the impression it wasn't an official single release. I also may have somewhere seen something call "Hey Hey Hey" the "fourth single" speculating an upcoming release (my memory's not entirely clear on the matter), but can't say for sure whether it'll be more than an album track that happens to have a music video. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@SNUGGUMS: During the expansion process of "Hey Hey Hey", I collected multiple refs which, indeed, referred to it as the fourth single. However, I agree with you that this was more of a speculation than a fact. "Hey Hey Hey" appears to impact UK radio soon [1] which may be because of a single release ?! However, untill further consenus is reached, I will just keep undoing IPs changing the infobox template of "Hey Hey Hey" from "Song" to "Single", if that's ok with you... Cartoon network freak (talk) 21:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Somebody supplied this source on "Feels" from earone.it claiming the radio add date of "Hey Hey Hey" in Italy, which often is enough for "single" status for some editors. However, I'm not sure at this point whether it and "Save as Draft" are full singles or not. I think we need a bit more compelling or notable coverage, but I didn't have any explicit objections to it being included on "Feels". Ss112 21:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

The UK radio link doesn't provide any specific release date, so that isn't very helpful. That Italian article on the other hand DOES give one (states it was yesterday) and therefore is more concrete thus useful. I guess the question comes down to how much that counts for. In any case, "Save as Draft" doesn't seem to have had a full-fledged release unlike the three known-for-absolute-certain Witness singles "Chained to the Rhythm", "Bon Appétit", and "Swish Swish", which all were released for individual paid download regardless of radio premiere. If either track had a known physical/digital purchase release date (not just free download), then I wouldn't really have doubts about single release (which isn't the case here). Artist and/or label confirmation on releases would also be nice to have (and it would be rather out of character for KP and Capitol Records to not say anything at all on the matter for any of her material). Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ss112:; @SNUGGUMS:. I classified "Save as Draft" as a promotional single and "Hey Hey Hey" as a full single release untill further consenus is reached. I think, for now, there is enough proof for "Hey Hey Hey" to be Witness's fourth single (music video, release to UK and Italian radios...). Also, no one involved in this conversation can really say it is wrong, because Capitol/UMG/Perry made no sort of official statement regarding this. "Joanne" by Lady gaga is also sort of a smiliar case, as it is referred to as a single due to its radio release, although no digital purchase (apart from the Joanne album) exists. As for "Save as Draft", I think it is safe to classify it as a promo single due to its radio release to US AC radios (and subsequent chart peaks on the respective charts). Best, Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Music video release isn't the same thing as single release, but a mainstream radio release can count for something (and is probably the strongest indicator of all radio releases that something was a full-fledged single). Songs can also chart without necessarily being official single or promo singles, just saying. AC radio in this case does seem to be more likely to be promo than official if anything for this case given the links I provided calling third single "Swish Swish" the "latest" one from Witness at the time. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

Katy Perry's "Save As Draft" is a single, not just a promotional single. Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20170619205638/https://www.allaccess.com/hot-modern-ac/future-releases 100.38.140.109 (talk) 00:24, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

 Comment: The same page is used in the article about the song to support the claim that it is a promotional single. (Specifically, it appears as a reference after It was sent to American adult contemporary radio stations on June 26, 2017 by Capitol Records, as Witness's sole promotional single.)

To be honest, I don't know how it supports either claim, but I might be missing something. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)