Talk:John Penrose

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The result of the move request was: articles moved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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John Penrose → John Penrose (disambiguation) — This person was the primary meaning, when he was "demoted" a couple of years ago I said we might have to review this in the light of his parliamentary career. Since then he has been re-elected and become a junior minister in the UK govt., not very important but the others are all fairly obscure figures only just above the threshhold of notability. He is now the primary meaning. PatGallacher (talk) 21:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

• John Penrose (politician) → John Penrose

I simply don't see the need for the move. There are no pages that incorrectly link to the disambiguation, and plenty that correctly link to John Penrose (politician). I think this move is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist and will just result in unnecessary work fixing links on a number of other pages. I would rather keep the disambiguation page as-is. --Simple Bob ^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 10:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support – This man is clearly the most common meaning now. Of the others, one doesn't even have an article, two are stubs, and the other is barely more than one. What's more, there is nothing about those others to suggest that any of those articles will ever be expanded a whole lot. If anyone comes to Wikipedia searching for "John Penrose", it is far likelier than not that she is searching for the MP and government minister than the others (perhaps put together). I'm afraid I don't see anything to Bob's point about having to change links. AWB or an actual script could take care of the issue with ease. As for the need, such need comes from guidelines and convenience for editors rather than incorrect links. I don't actually see how incorrect links are even remotely relevant to the question of whether the politician is the primary meaning of "John Penrose" for WP purposes. -Rrius (talk) 11:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

• Reply I also think that Simple Bob misunderstands some of the issues associated with the concept of primary topic on Wikipedia, see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Current links are irrelevant, all that matters is that one person is by a clear margin the best known of this name. As it happens, I have had a look, and no links will have to be changed as a result of this move, "John Penrose (politician)" will be a redirect to "John Penrose". PatGallacher (talk) 14:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: "much more likely than any other, and more likely than all the others combined". Last month there were just 604 views of the politician and 339 views of the other people. In my opinion this does not qualify as "much more likely". Tassedethe (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Statistics aren't everything, as some people have said before during these discussions. PatGallacher (talk) 15:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

And in the event, don't the statistics support me? Viewers are about twice as likely to view the subject of this article as all of the others combined. How is this not the primary topic on those terms? -Rrius (talk) 04:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support, page views and common knowledge seem to support this as primary topic (it isn't expected to be "much more likely than all the others combined", just "more likely", which apparently it is). --Kotniski (talk) 11:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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