Talk:John Hart Ely

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I added a couple of sentences about ejusdem generis and a direct reference to Footnote Four, both of which are critical to the validity, applicability, and historic context of Ely's position Democracy and Distrust. Ryanluck 01:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

As an aside, the clause "Gideon had scrawled his petition for certiorari from a prison cell in his own handwriting." isn't as dramatic as first appears. As I understand it Gideon was filing a habeas corpus petition, and the state (and Supreme Court to this day) did (do) not recognize right to counsel for a writ of habeas corpus. Thus many such petitions are filed by the inmates seeking such writs. Ryanluck 05:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Footnoes

Can someone tell me how Wikipedia lets me put in footnotes? I have a copy of Democracy and Distrust and can list page numbers, etc. 68.100.92.114 04:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: X750 (talk · contribs) 08:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Excellent prose writing, editor has passion for the subject & put a lot of time & effort into it. Consistent use of Oxford comma too. However, I would remove a tad of editorialisation (a good thing, shows editor is really engaged), took a lowly position as a public defender in San Diego. Remove "lowly". take a modest position as a public defender. Remove "modest". writing tirelessly to produce a set of legal memoranda. Replace "writing tirelessly" with "putting in significant effort". Remove all contractions too per MOS:CONTRACTIONS. of Stanford Law School,[25] remaining on the faculty until 1996. I'd replace "on" with "with". Replace "matriculated" with "enrolled". The Wages of Crying Wolf projected a profound influence. Replace "projected a profound influence" with "had a profound".

@X750 I can acquiesce to most of the changes above, but I would like to make a case for keeping lowly and modest; they add flair to the article, and I believe it keeps the reader engaged to a certain extent. Some wiggle room is allowed I think as I don't believe the prose diverges too much from an article like Learned Hand or Antonin Scalia. GuardianH (talk) 08:47, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Excellent prose writing, editor has passion for the subject & put a lot of time & effort into it. Consistent use of Oxford comma too.
   However, I would remove a tad of editorialisation (a good thing, shows editor is really engaged), took a lowly position as a public defender in San Diego. Remove "lowly". take a modest position as a public defender. Remove "modest". writing tirelessly to produce a set of legal memoranda. Replace "writing tirelessly" with "putting in significant effort". Remove all contractions too per MOS:CONTRACTIONS. of Stanford Law School,[25] remaining on the faculty until 1996. I'd replace "on" with "with". Replace "matriculated" with "enrolled". The Wages of Crying Wolf projected a profound influence. Replace "projected a profound influence" with "had a profound".

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   No hints of WP:SYNTH. Potentially contestable statements all well-sourced. All sources are reputable. Earwig throws up high numbers but the quotes used are all attributed, and I believe give good context to the surrounding prose and are worth mentioning.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   No complaints here.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Both sides of the fence included, critics and supporters alike.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Nada.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Can't really think of anything much else that could be included.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Minor changes. Should be an easy pass.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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• ... that despite being pro-choice, American legal scholar John Hart Ely penned a law review article castigating the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade? Source: https://reason.com/volokh/2021/10/15/who-is-todays-john-hart-ely/ (among others in the article)
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: John Hart Ely was among the most prolific and influential legal scholars of the 20th century; I've been working on his article for quite a while now, and it has passed nomination to become a Good Article. Perhaps most interesting about Ely was that he was an intellectual maverick who was willing to contradict his own beliefs (as the above DYK shows). The law review article mentioned was titled "Wages of Crying Wolf" and became one of the most-cited works in the Yale Law Journal.

Improved to Good Article status by GuardianH (talk). Self-nominated at 09:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @GuardianH: Good article. Article is sourced, hook is interesting, and the QPQ is not required. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:30, 11 December 2022 (UTC)