Talk:John Alderdice, Baron Alderdice

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COI template moved to talk

I moved the COI template to talk for a couple of reasons. First, the template says something about a "major" contributor but the account in question has only made 2 edits to the article, very recently, so the template seems a bit too strong. Second, the edits in question do not seem to me to be conflicted in any way - simple factual corrections/updates. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

We don't have any other COI templates to use so {{coi}} tends to be used on any article where there is a suspected COI. WP:AUTO states "Editing a biography about yourself should only be done in clear-cut cases." and "Similarly, you should feel free to correct mistaken or out-of-date facts about yourself, such as marital status, current employer, place of birth, and so on." The main problem IMO with people editing their own biographies is that we cannot tell if it is true or not - how do we know that these edits made the article more accurate or not? WP:AUTO seems to encourage people to add information that isn't verifiable - if no RSs state it, shouldn't it be removed? (I guess that's better discussed elsewhere). I've removed the COI template from here as it is no use and instead added {{Notable Wikipedian}}. Smartse (talk) 17:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I would say that these edits, in terms of asking ourselves about conflict of interest, clearly fall into the category of "mistaken or out-of-date facts about yourself" - the diff you linked to doesn't strike me as anything that should set off any particular COI alarm bells - no puffery, no deletion of potentially controversial claims. Additionally, this account's only other edit to this page was to remove a claim that he was a professional footballer - I did some cursory googling and it does seem at first glance that Lord Alderdice was not a footballer (anyway, I found no sources suggesting it other than mirrors of us!).

So if this account really is Lord Alderdice, and why shouldn't it be, he seems to have done nothing even remotely wrong, so the COI tag strikes me as unwelcoming.

Now, quite separate from that, you are indeed correct that this article is woefully under-sourced. My view is that rather than fretting over COI, we should instead focus on trying to make this a better article. That's what I'm going to do over the next few days if I get the time. :-)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I've definitely seen worse COI edits, it depends how you define a COI though - some would say you immediately have a COI editing your page, regardless of the edit. In my experience it's easiest for everyone when subjects stay clear anyway - it's a lot easier for someone with experience to fix the article and it prevents any potential problems for the subject in the media (like these). I've modified WP:AUTO#IFEXIST - see my reasoning here - I think it's fine to remove things but replacing unsourced info with more unsourced info doesn't help anyone. I've found references for everything in the article, so there shouldn't be any further problems. Smartse (talk) 21:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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