Talk:Jean-Baptiste Belley

Translation?

Can someone translate this phrase in the text of the article (perhaps in a parenthetical aside): "Le Bout d'oreille des colons ou le système de l’Hôtel Massiac mis à jour par Gouly." The best I can come up with is "The settler's ear-tips or the Hotel Massiac system maintained by Goly," which doesn't make any sense to me. :) Thanks! —mako๛ 17:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Benjamin. A good question. I left this title in the French because it seemed to have hidden depths, and I didn't want to bungle it. The web site 'L'histoire par l'image' (www.histoire-image.org) says helpfully "...publié sous un titre à la saveur créole" - 'published under a title with a Creole flavour'. The système de l’Hôtel Massiac is clearly 'the Hotel Massiac system', referring to the group of colonists who met there, and it suggests they were pulling Gouly's strings, while mis à jour is 'updated'. Bout d'oreille des colons is literally 'settlers' ear-tip' or 'settlers' bit of ear' (plural settlers, singular ear-tip), which is what I'm struggling with. I think it may have something to do with La Fontaine's couplet

Un petit bout d'oreille, echappé par malheur,

Découvrit la fourbe et l'erreur...

which is from L'Ane vêtu d'une Peau de Lion (The Ass Dressed in a Lion Skin). It means "A small piece of ear, escaped by misfortune, uncovered the perfidy and the error..." (that is, a bit of the ass's ear escaped from the lion-skin). I hope this helps, but I'm afraid I may be missing some other allusion here! Xn4 (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

That's right for bout d'oreille, the revealing inadvertent slip-up in spite of every precaution, in a modern context a Freudian slip. I made a better translation, and put it in the footnote, rather than vice-versa. The club of planters meeting at the Hôtel Massiac, deserves an explanatory footnote.--Wetman (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a note

This page is not listed in the list of people with the name "Jean-Baptiste". He needs to be added to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.113.178 (talk) 13:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Portrait

I'm a bit perplexed by the discussion of the, erm, emphasis created by the tightness of his pantalons in the portrait. It's actually no different from the effect seen in Kiprenskii's portrait of Evgraf Davydov, and is just a consequence of those kind of trousers! I don't see anything 'ideological' going on. There are no 'noble savage' overtones, just a depiction of a very elegant gentleman in fashionable political attire. Silverwhistle (talk) 11:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)