Talk:Ishiyama Hongan-ji

Hmm,

in the Japanese entry it says they first called the temple city 小坂, and only later did the name turn into 大坂. Mackan 01:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. My source (Stephen Turnbull's "Japanese Fortified Temples and Monasteries") doesn't contain any kanji. But it does say that Rennyo settled at an area known for and named for its "long slope." 小 doesn't mean long, and 大 doesn't really either, but I don't think a place known for its long slope would be called "small slope". Interesting. I'm not sure what to do with this. What do you think? LordAmeth 11:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

When it comes to things Japanese I prefer using Japanese sources when available. Unfortunately, this particular article doesn't reveal its sources. I checked out the main Osaka article too though and this is what I found

大きな坂があったために大坂という字が当てられたという説があるが、蓮如以前の大坂は「オホサカ」ではなく「オサカ」と発音されており、諸資料にも「小坂（おさか）」と表記された例が見られる。このためにこの説は信憑性(しんぴょうせい)に乏しい。

So according to the Japanese main entry on Osaka, it doesn't seem very likeable that explanation is true. I'd still mention that 説 though but add that evidence (i.e. other sources using 小坂) speaks against that theory. Mackan 13:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

A very interesting subject.. I'm really genuinely curious to look into this further. The English Wikipedia article on Osaka indicates that "Over time, the "z" became voiceless, and with time the long "o" (ō) turned short." In other words, that it was something of a natural, gradual linguistic process. Of course, on the other hand, this does seem to refer to developments after Rennyo. I'm curious (not skeptical - curious in a very neutral way) as to the source of the Japanese article you cite; my impression was that Rennyo settled either in or near Naniwa, and that there was not much doing at that place at that time. I.e. that it was not a city with necessarily any name. "He settled in an area known for its long slope." Some sources say he planted the Honganji atop the ruins of Naniwa palace. But I have no idea if it was still called Naniwa at that time. Ponder ponder. LordAmeth 16:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I should say that that part of the Osaka article was written by me, after we had this discussion. I took it straight from the Japanese Wikipedia. Mackan 19:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Oops. Never mind then. LordAmeth 09:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

11 year siege

Here is the same mistake as in Siege of Ishiyama Honganji. There was no 11 nor 10 year siege, but war (Ishiyama war). The siege started in 1576 and lasted 5 years. Regards, --Alex Kov 18:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

What happened from 1570-1575, then? Were there no forces under Nobunaga outside the fortress? Were there no attacks at all during this time? LordAmeth 10:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)