Talk:Ibibio-Efik languages
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Move to 'Efik'
editCorrection: In actuality, Efik, because of it's importance in trade and other such activities, is widely spoken by Annang and Ibibio people . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.245.9.101 (talk • contribs)
- It might hold for both. Ibibio, sometimes seens as a dialect of Efik, is numerically the most important of such dialects and is according to Kaufman (1979) different enough from Efik to warrant separate description. In the region where it is spoken, it is also important in trade, but I can well imagine Ibibio people being also bilingual in Efik. — mark ✎ 08:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The organisation of the 3 languages is incorrect. Efik is the official language name and the name by which the group of 3 languages together are known. The 3 sub languages are then Ibibio, Anaang and Efik. Even though Efik has the least speakers, it's the official name. So the redirect should not be to the "Ibibio Language" it should be to the "Efik Language".
- Ethnologue would seem to agree, so moved. Pls provide refs if you object to it being called 'Efik'. — kwami (talk) 02:56, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
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{{Efik language:move|Ibibio langauge}} Kwamikagami do you speak Efik? I doubt it because if you did you wouldn't want to move Efik language to a page written with Ibibio phrases! Efik is a different language and not the official spoken language in Akwa ibom State where Ibibio language is spoken. The 2 languages do have similarity just like Spanish and French, but the content of the page and phrases is still written in Ibibio, so the page name should have remained Ibibio Language Page! Seems you are from Ghana and you do not understand that are calling a page Spanish language while the content like phrases is written in French. [added by User:Ibibiogrl on 15:08, 2011 May 31]
Efik Language http://www.maobongoku.com/maobong_mypeople_efiklang_origin.htm and http://www.maobongoku.com/maobong_mypeople_efiklang_orthography.htm and http://www.archive.org/stream/efiklanguage00unafrich/efiklanguage00unafrich_djvu.txt Same above website that had a book on Efik language also has different books on ibibio language http://www.archive.org/details/rosettaproject_ibb_detail-1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibibiogrl (talk • contribs) 21:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_River_State "The State is composed of three major ethnic groups-these are the Efik, the Ejagham and the Bekwarra. The Efik language is very widely spoken in Cross River State, even as far as Arochukwu in neighboring Abia state. The Efik speaking people live mainly in the Calabar Municipality and Calabar South LGAs,and also in Bakassi,Akpabuyo,Odukpani and in parts of Akamkpa LGAs"
I answered you on my talk page. As for your points here, (1) you are the one who deleted the phrases. That actually was a good thing, because we're not a phrase book. If you want to write an Ibibio phrase book, do it at Wikibooks. (2) You can't use another Wikipedia article as evidence for this one. (3) There is overwhelming sourced evidence that Ibibio–Efik is often treated as a single language. The fact that you don't like it is irrelevant; see WP:IDONTLIKEIT. (4) The article as you wrote it was incoherent and nonsensical. If you want to write a coherent, sensible, sourced article on Ibibio proper, I encourage you to do it. And as I've said elsewhere, we can always move the Ibibio/Efik/Ibibio–Efik article to a new name. — kwami (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efik_people "The Efik are an ethnic group located primarily in southeastern Nigeria. 'Efik' is also the name of their language which is a variation of the Ibibio language. "
I do Not Need to call you names you have clearly shown that you cannot Comprehend a very simple notion.Ibibiogrl (talk) 16:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
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Here is a source for classifification of the languages: http://www.journalofwestafricanlanguages.org/Files/pdf/24-1/JWAL-24-1-Connell.pdf This paper comes after greenberg. I believe the correct structure would be to classify Efik, Ananng and Ibibio as separate languages and then lump all other smaller languages as dialects. Otherwise this conflict will never end, because as more people of akwa-cross origin come online, they will come here and be shocked that their language is classified under a neighbouring language. There are many languages in wikipedia that have their own page, and less than 1 million native speakers. Ananng has more than a million native speakers, it deserves its own page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.5.79.72 (talk) 07:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Here is a source describing the differences between the languages: http://www.elanguage.net/journals/index.php/sal/article/viewFile/1189/1213 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.5.79.72 (talk) 07:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Dubious
editThe neutrality dispute can be found here: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Nsibidi.2C_Igbo_language.2C_Efik_language. Ukabia - talk 03:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)