Talk:Hank Aaron/Archive 1

So which is it? re: dealerships

The article says "Aaron also owns Mini, Jaguar, Land Rover, Toyota, Hyundai and Honda dealerships throughout Georgia, as part of the Hank Aaron Automotive Group. Aaron sold all but the Toyota dealership in 2007.[29]" They can't both be true...should that first sentence be in the past tense?

Stats

Remember folks this is an ENCYCLOPEDIA... not a freaking baseball statistics book. you need to EXPLAIN this stuff as you would to a 6yr old who doesnt know the material. Also this needs some SERIOUS reformatting and wikifying. Alkivar 22:44, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Thank you for the wonderful work on the league leader statistics. I always thought they looked ugly, but did not know what to do. I honestly think the page is in pretty good shape now. It needs a little more wikifying, but that is hardly grounds for a cleanup notice. The rest is clear and easy to follow now in my opinion. What do you think? Indrian 01:41, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

a cleanup notice simply means it needs to have data sorted into a more "pretty" view in my opinion. and to break things down into more sub-sections for ease of browsing. As it is there are WAAAAAY too many text only charts that should be turned into linked tables. see below for more of what i'm talking about Alkivar 02:06, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

1957 NL
GAMES               T6TH   151
AT BATS             5TH    615
RUNS                1ST    118
HITS                2ND    198
SINGLES             8TH    121
HOMERUNS            1ST     44
HR/100 OUTS         1ST    10.14
HR/100 PA           2ND     6.52
HR/100 AB           3RD     7.15
RBI                 1ST    132
AVERAGE             4TH    .322
SLG                 3RD    .600
OBA                 9TH    .378
OPS                 3RD     .978
RUNS CREATED        2ND    135
RCAA                T1ST    66
RCAP                2ND     64
OWP                 2ND    .772
RUNS CREATED/GAME   3RD     8.40
TOTAL BASES         1ST    369
EXTRA BASE HITS     3RD     77
ISOLATED POWER      4TH    .278
SECONDARY AVERAGE   6TH    .371
TOTAL AVERAGE       3RD     .988
BPA                 3RD    .612
INTENTIONAL WALKS   T2ND    15
PLATE APPEARANCES   T7TH   675
OUTS                T9TH   434  

Yeah I've just put in a one-line text box now that doesn't take up much space. Lots of players do have a stats line somewhere in their articles. Mglovesfun 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

there are entirely too many charts like this that belong as HTML tables. plus there are many terms which a non baseball fan would not know. RBI,SLG,OBA,OPS,RCAA,RCAP,OWP,BPA (while obvious to you and me may not be obvious to someone only peripherally informed about baseball) and some of these statistics have their own entry pages on WIKI ... link to a few. And if you cant find em DEFINE em :) Alkivar 02:06, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Well, HTML tables are not my forte, so I will have to leave that to someone else probably. As for the stats, I will get on that. I am sorry I have been a bit difficult the last couple of days. I am not usually so stubborn when it comes to editing articles; I honestly do not know what came over me. Indrian 14:20, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

Statistics

I think we ought to delete the tables of statistics on this page and let the external links point to pages with statistics. Gorrister 18:50, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I do understand this sentiment, but I also see no harm in keeping the statistics since wikipedia has the space for it. The statistics provide a good measure of a player's worth at a glance and allow a lot of numerical information to be covered in a simple and straightforward manner that would take paragraphs of text to convey properly. Indrian 21:45, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Last negro league player to make major leagues

Aaron was in fact the last negro league player to make it to the major leagues. Aaron was drafted before Banks - 1952 vs. 1953, but Banks made it to the majors in 1953 vs. Aaron who made it in 1954. The [Negro league players association] website states that Aaron was the last. Gorrister 12:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

Why does the beginning of the article mention that he appeared in 25 All-star games, but twice later in the article say only 24 all-star appearences? Furthermore, how could he have made 24 all-star games if he played 23 seasons ('54-'76)?

Not sure about the inconsistancies, but for a couple of years there were two All-star games in the season.Gorrister 28 June 2005 21:45 (UTC)

He appeared in 25 All Star Games (Every season from 1955-1975). There were two games in the years 1959-1962. I will correct.Indrian June 28, 2005 23:11 (UTC)

Revert by Alkivar

Perhaps someone would care to explain why the fact that Mr. Aaron gave out the award named in his honor during the 2004 postseason is in any way important to his life, career, or legacy? This does not seem like something that belongs in an encyclopedia article. Indrian 00:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Its quite uncommon thats why. The awards have been given out for a long time (nearly 20 years?)... this is the FIRST and ONLY time he was there to personally hand it out. It certainly belongs more to the article than the fact that he voiced a character in Futurama, or runs a BMW Car Dealership, or has an Erdős number of 1. At least the fact he handed out the award named after him is BASEBALL related.  ALKIVAR™ 03:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'll buy that, but I think the article needs to make note of the special circumstances of the event, otherwise it does just appear to be a random and useless fact.Indrian 23:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Catholicism

I have read that Aaron converted to Catholicism after reading Thomas à Kempis's 'The Imitation of Christ'. Can anybody corroborate this? JackofOz 02:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

League Leader charts

I know this has come up before, but in my opinion the league leader charts make this page less readable and contain a lot on unnecessary information (do we really need to know that Aaron was second in the NL in GIDP in 1955?). Someone in the peer review mentioned that if these charts were moved to there own page they would be deleted, as wikipedia is not a baseball statistics guide. I agree. What is, however, a baseball statistics guide is Baseball-Reference.com. This page contains a link to Aaron's Baseball-Reference page, as do most player bios on Wikipedia. All of this info and more is contained on that page. As long as the link text makes clear that it is a page of statistics, people will know where to find them. Thoughts? --djrobgordon 17:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Can I take the silence to mean that everyone has come around to an identical point of view, or just that nobody wants to argue about this anymore? I still plan on drastically cutting down on the number of charts on this page, but I'm in a bit of a tift over at Babe Ruth and really don't have the time for multiple edit wars. Now's your chance to tell me what the league leader charts do that sentences can't. --djrobgordon 18:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Abdul Jabbar reference

The article on Hank Aaron suggests that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar holds the distinction of having the last name which would come first alphabetically. Alaa Abdelnaby, however, would come first. Abdelnaby played in the early 90s. The misstatement about Abdul-Jabbar does not appear to be on the Abdul-Jabbar page, however.

Part of this article are copied from ESPN

Not that this isn't common on Wikipedia but a portion of this article read word-for-word with this article from ESPN. Perhaps if someone has time they can copyedit it. Anger22 13:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Great... Ladydayelle 14:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

All star appearances

"24 All-Star appearances over 21 seasons"

How is this possible? I count that he played 23 seasons, so most likely that should be 21 appearances in 23? Can someone confirm this? Mglovesfun 15:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• From 1959 to 1962, two all star games were played every year. Indrian 15:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Sadaharu Oh

The article currently notes that "Hank Aaron is second behind Japanese baseball player Sadaharu Oh (868) as the all time home run hitter in recorded baseball history." Since the Sadaharu Oh entry itself points out that Oh's record is not comparable to a MLB record due to smaller ballparks, different bats, etc. I'd like to change this article to read "Hank Aaron is second behind Japanese baseball player Sadaharu Oh (868) as the all time home run hitter in recorded baseball history; however, their records are not directly comparable due to differences between American and Japanese ballparks and equipment." Any objections/suggestions? Mrquizzical 04:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, Oh shouldn't even be mentioned, except maybe in the Trivia section. The records are, indeed, not comprable, and giving the comparison such a prominent place in this article doesn't provide a baseball novice with an accurate perspective of Aaron's place in the game's history. --djrobgordon 04:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It would get a little wordy to try and explain in the flow of the article. The Trivia section would be a good place for it. Heck, let's let Hank have a few final months of glory before the Barry Bonds fans rip this article to shreds next season.  :) -- dakern74 (talk) 04:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Change made. Thanks for the feedback. Mrquizzical 03:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Clean-Up Coming

This article is in some major work. I am trying my best to balance the idea of verifiable information with what I do not know. As such, I will try and add the code where applicable. It would probably help if someone could double check the sources. I don't want to expunge work that has been cited, but I am not sure the best research was done. Oh yeah, I moved the page as well... his name was Henry Aaron not Hank Aaron :-). Thoughts/ideas/comments ??? --Tecmobowl 12:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Hank or Henry?

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) suggests to use the name that is most generally recognisable. I am certainly not an expert on baseball, but it is my impression that "Hank Aaron" is infinitely more recognisable than "Henry Aaron". (Google says: 10 times more)

As an example, our guideline on naming conventions gives Billy Joel rather than his full name William Martin Joel; the full name is mentioned in the article, but (currently) not even a redirection.

--Aleph4 14:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

He is referred to as "Hank Aaron" far more times that he is by "Henry Aaron." To provide other examples similar to what is presented above, there are articles for "Ted Williams" (Birth name Theodore Samuel Williams), "Babe Ruth" (Birth name George Herman Ruth), Peggy Fleming (Birth name Margaret Gail Fleming) and former US president Bill Clinton (Birth name William Jefferson Clinton). The article should be called 'Hank Aaron."

Ladydayelle 15:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it was very bad form to move this page without discussing it first. As pointed out above, the more recognizable name is preferred by Wikipedia, and that is undoubtably Hank, not Henry. Unless further compelling reason can be given as to why this name change should stand, I will move it back in a few days. Indrian 21:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it is important to recognize that wikipedia does not "prefer" one over the other. That article is a suggestion. That being said, if there is an overwhelming consensus one way or the other then just change it back (it ain't that hard). I do not think that google search results should be considered at all when discussing this issue, if you remove the quotation marks, the results would weigh heavily in the direction of Henry over Hank. I am familiar with the Naming conventions. I do not think that people really believe Cher's name is only one word. Rather, she has been identified by that to the public. Similarly, I do not think people have confused Babe with George (as in Ruth). I do think that people have come to believe that Hank was his birth name. I even went so far as to look it up in a major encyclopedia that we have and under Hank Aaron it said: see Henry L. Aaron. In any event, have at it.Tecmobowl 01:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, it does not matter whether this was the right decision or not: moving any page on a significant topic with a large editing history to a new name simply should not be undertaken without first having a discussion to determine consensus. Making such a move without consultation really is just bad form. I know you were not being a vandal and were acting in good faith, so please do not take this as an attack. Second, your given reason for moving ("I do think that people have come to believe that Hank was his birth name.") makes no sense, because the article heading clearly gives his name as Henry Louis Aaron. Even if someone comes to a page called Hank Aaron thinking that is his real first name, once they start reading the article, it becomes immediately clear this is not so. Third, while I do not want to get into a technical debate on the definition of words in the English language, the phrase "The most used name to refer to a person is generally the one that Wikipedia will choose as page name" from Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) indicates that the most recognized name is the one most often used on wikipedia, which by defintion makes it a preference even if that word is not used. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) also indicates a preference for the most commonly used name. While that page is not an official policy, just a guideline, it still enjoys a broad consensus, which means it still has great weight, and dismissing it out of hand as a "suggestion" is rather disingenuous. Fourth, I have no idea what "major" encyclopedia you used, but the Encyclopedia Britannica, Microsoft Encarta, Microsoft Complete Baseball, the Ballplayers, Baseball: The Biographical Encyclopedia, Total Baseball, the New Biographical History of Baseball, Baseballreference.com, baseballlibrary.com, and retrosheet.com all contain entries on Aaron under the name Hank Aaron, not Henry Aaron. If that is not a ringing endorsement for what the scholarly baseball community considers to be the proper name to use in an article about Aaron, I don't know what is. Indrian 15:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for sharing. It's wiki... why don't you try and fix the situation rather than just complain about it. You might even want to try and contribute to the article.Tecmobowl 22:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. You need to calm down and keep things civil here so as not to violate a policy or two. I do plan on moving the page back to its original location, but unlike you, I am waiting to give some time for discussion on the matter and am waiting a couple of days to make sure there is no serious objection. Also, I have contributed to this article, and many others on wikipedia, and there is no need to lash out at me in such a childish manner. If you want to continue civil and serious discussion on this matter, I am happy to join you; if you consider the subject closed, that is fine to, but if you respond to this message with another unproductive retort, I will just ignore it. I can see by looking at your talk page that you have had some trouble getting along with others in the past, and I would suggest modifying your attitude a little to have a more fulfilling wikipedia experience. Indrian 00:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Just move it back then and stop being so argumentative. Everyone else made constructive comments i moved it and put a comment on the talk page. User:Aleph4 and User:Ladydayelle both made reasonable points. Just move the page back and stop making threats. (forgot to sign this earlier) Tecmobowl 13:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved this back. I don't like how the redirect was immediately edited thereby obstructing the move - very fishy. Let's try to at least discuss this move first - it's clearly very controversial so should be brought to WP:RM. —Wknight94 (talk) 11:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I was actually trying to move the page back per my last statement (which i forgot to sign). I just screwed up that's all. Why is everyone on here a conspiracy theorist. Page is back and i have done enough editing for one person on this, I hope people continue the cleanup and go get some good sources for the material. Tecmobowl 13:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Everyone gets jumpy when sockpuppet allegations get thrown around but everything seems settled down now. Let's all relax and get back to improving the article per Tecmobowl's suggestion. If anyone is serious about moving this article, bring it to WP:RM. That's where controversial moves are requested and clearly this move would be controversial!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 13:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Primarysources tag

Re: the {{primarysources}} tag, is there any particular issue that needs to be addressed? When there are sources and references in an article, I usually prefer individual {{fact}} tags instead of the more general {{primarysources}} and {{unreferenced}} tags. Then people can focus on the actual problem areas instead of trying to reconcile the entire article. —Wknight94 (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• I have just removed the tag. If the person thinks that there are not enough sources and wants to use a fact tag, I agree that this would be unhelpful, but he would be within his rights. It appears however, that every source the article does cite to is a secondary source, so the tag is just plain wrong. Indrian 21:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I think i just used the wrong tag, how about {{Not verified}} at the top? That aside, I used {{fact}} & {{verify source}} throughout the article. The two can easily be misinterpreted but both communicate the general idea that something is wrong with a particular statement. Thoughts, ideas, comments... :-)??? //Tecmobowl 23:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I have no problem with that tag, and you are free to use it. Indrian 00:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

More Photos

I believe we need more photos to enhance this article. Thoughts?Techmobowls 20:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the article is fine, a better questions is who are you and why do you only edit articles I edit???? Tecmobowl 20:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The chase is on.

There are some numbers in this section which can't be correct. For example: ... the record for the most seasons with 30 or more home runs in the National League (12222222222). Aaron also knocked in the 2,000,000,000th run of his career ... I presume that they were correct previously and have been vandalised; perhaps someone could revert it back to the correct version. - 129.67.108.178 23:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Victor

The 2 College Students

When he hit his record-breaking HR, who were the two "college students" that ran up to him on the field? I'd always figured that their identities were unknown, but if it's known that they were in college then their identities can't be that much of a mystery, right? If possible, it would be good to get this information on here as it is basically impossible to find elsewhere (at least as far as I can tell) 69.143.4.232 16:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)nmc

Improvements

Nice to see that a lot of citations have been added to this article, well done to anyone who added them . Mglovesfun 14:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Number of home runs by Bonds

There appears to be a lack of objectivity when it comes to value statements regarding Aaron's place in the history of baseball. Hitters with lesser statistics have generalizations made about them quite safely such as the comment about Ted Williams, i.e., "He is widely considered to be one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball." This statement is safe, because it is a widely held belief. Therefore, it is difficult to understand how this article omits this kind of value statement, given Aaron's superior statistics and the widely held belief among many fans that he is also "one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball".--Aberforth (talk) 11:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Under the title "Home run record eclipsed by Barry Bonds", it says towards the end that "After Bonds hit his record-breaking 716th home run on August 7, 2007". This should be changed to 756th home run.

Henry Aaron did not play in the National league his entire MLB career. The Milwaukee Brewers were members of the Amer can League until 1997. Hank Aaron played on the Brewers from 1975-1976.

Uhh, I do believe you are mistaken about the 756th thing. Babe Ruth's record was of 714 home runs, and Aaron's was of 733 home runs. Why would Bonds break the record 23 runs after the record was actually broken? The 716th thing was written because the 715th of Aaron's was the record breaker, and appearently they believed that home run ended his career, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Echoes134 (talk) 23:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hard telling what you're really trying to say, but in any case, Ruth had 714 in his career, Aaron had 755, so Bonds moved into second place when he hit number 715, and into first place when he hit number 756. Aaron hit 733 in the National League, but that was a league record, not a career record. So Bonds broke Aaron's league record when he hit number 734, but needed 22 more to break Aaron's career record. Ruth, of course, still holds the American League record with 708 (he hit 6 in the National League). Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to offend you, but I was simply trying to make the point that the record wouldn't be set indefinately after it was broken, and it wouldn't make sense if it were to do so. I don't know much about baseball, hockey's my thing, so I just said that so someone would correct the page, because I knew I couldn't. Echoes134 (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You can't offend me since I still don't know what you're talking about. Bonds broke Aaron's career record when he hit number 756. Each one he hit after that, broke / extended his own record. Whatever his current number may be (and I don't know and really don't care what it is), is the current career record. Is that what you're trying to say? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 20:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Barry Bonds

I am not a Barry Bonds fan; nor am I hoping he breaks the record. However, I think aits relevant to mention him somewhere in this article, especially the reasoning behind Hank's announcement that he will not attend the game in which Bonds breaks his record. What do others think? M. Frederick 17:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Trevor GH5 16:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that if/when Bonds breaks Hanks record, it should be referenced that Bonds was the one who did it. However, any reference to what Hank feels about Bonds' use of steriods is totally inappropriate! Hank, himself, stated, during a recent interview for Sun Sports by Chris Dimino, "Hank Aaron: In My Own Words",, that he made the statement of not attending anything to do with the breaking of his record, before the steroid issue emergered. He has always stated that "records were meant to be broken".Flborn 20:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hank Aaron's law degree

He was awarded an honourary law degree in 1995: [1] . Add it if you think it deserves a mention. --203.206.183.160 12:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

honorary= not noteworthy in terms of diplomas

Sites to use for resources

I have removed the following links from the EL section. The biography pages seem much more appropriate for sources and 3 stats sites seems excessive. Here the are in case someone wants to use them as sources:

• georgiaencyclopedia.org Aaron story
• gshf.org Georgia Sports Hall of Fame
• Fangraphs stats

Long levi 06:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion by Long levi of Fangraphs EL

Pls return the fangraphs EL. This has been the subject of an extensive discussion on the baseball wikiproject baseball page. The consensus was to include it as an EL. The one vociferous disagreeing editor has, btw, been banned indefinitely from Wikipedia. Tx.--Epeefleche 10:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• I've read all of that stuff. That's why i moved it here.  Long Levi  20:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• I'm confused. That stuff, as you put it, supports Fangraphs being listed as an EL. You moved it. If you are to abide by the consensus on that page, you should put it back as an EL. Am I missing something?--Epeefleche 03:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• No, your not confused. That site does not offer anything that warrants its inclusion over the other sites.  Long Levi  05:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but that is completely at odds with the consensus regarding Fangraphs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#Deletions_by_Tecmobowl_of_hundreds_of_baseball_urls_w.2Funique_information.3B_failure_to_discuss.3B_edit_warring and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#External_links. Please RV in accordance with that consensus. If you do not, I will. The consensus is clear. True, there was one user, a sockpuppet and abuser of Wiki policy who deleted many of these ELs without consensus. But he has been banned indefinitely for such behavior. --Epeefleche 12:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Please don't drag me into your arguments. I am not here to pass judgement on who said what when. I'm just improving the quality of this article. Please be more mindful of the fact that others do not agree with any part of that discussion. Including the fact that you titled the section in what I view as a personal attack on someone. There are already two stats sites in this article. I do not see any benefit to that third link. If you want to put it in, you might consider replacing on of the ones already being used.  Long Levi  00:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• You are exhibiting the behavior and supporting it with the same refusal to accept consensus -- as to the same ELs -- that Tecmobowl (a sockpuppet and banned user) did. I'm sorry, but that is completely at odds with the consensus regarding Fangraphs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#Deletions_by_Tecmobowl_of_hundreds_of_baseball_urls_w.2Funique_information.3B_failure_to_discuss.3B_edit_warring and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball#External_links. This conversation has already been had. I am confused as to why you do not respect it, especially since the point was made that this behavior is unacceptable -- indeed, made so emphatically that Tecmo was banned indefinitely. The existence of that consensus is clearly demonstrated in the links that I have included on your talk page.--Epeefleche 01:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• I find your behavior here to be pretty unfortunate. While I was really trying to help push this toward a WP:GA, it appears that you don't want that to happen. I think I'll move on for now and come back later to this one. Please don't bring this up anymore as it is a non issue with me.  Long Levi  05:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• I'm not clear. Which point are you asking me not to bring up any more? That there is consensus over the Fangraphs EL, which I am suggesting be respected? Or that your behavior in refusing to respect the Fangraphs EL consensus mirrors rather dramatically that of Tecmobowl, the banned sockpuppet? Both points seem to me to be legitimate points to raise, in light of your actions (and Tecmo's actions). And I might point out that Tecmo had the same habit of asking that other editors not say things ... if he disagreed with them.--Epeefleche 07:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• FYI. Longlevi has just been found to be a sockpuppet of a banned user named Tecmobowl, who has used socks in the past. Accordingly, he has also been banned indefinitely. See [2]--Epeefleche 00:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Post-playing career

"Although some have speculated that this is a snubbing of Bonds based on the ongoing steroids scandal, some have looked back to Aaron's own history and how he downplayed his breaking of Babe Ruth's all-time record, and see Aaron's actions as simply treating Bonds the way he wanted to be treated."

Who is "some"? Why are they relevant? And who cares *why* Hank Aaron refuses to attend Barry Bond's celebratory dinner? As long as he himself does not reveal his motive, all we can do is speculate. Such speculation does not belong in WP. Qifan 14:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

See Also & Stats

Per WP:EL, I don't think the stats section belongs at all. However, in trying to find a compromise, I have shortened the section to display his career statistics. Providing a full list of his career stats will inundate readers and takes up valuable space than could be used to relay content. There are two stats sites already included in the EL section, so a reader can easily access that information if need be.

Per WP:GTL#See_also, I have shortened the See Also section. According to the Guideline section, it appears that all of the information could in fact be removed and incorporated into the article. That being said, a number of categories and templates are already in place to relay the same information that is in the see also article. If one hits 700 home runs, then there is no real need to establish them as a 500 and 600 and 700 "club" member. Considering that the information is already in place with a variety of categories, it needed to be condensed. Rather than outright removal, I have left one link in there that does not appear in another place currently. As the article improves, it is likely that the section can be removed altogether.  Long Levi  21:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Note: The above user, Longlevi, has been indef banned as a sockpuppet of a banned user/sockpuppet.--Epeefleche 01:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

barry bonds breaks aaron's record

I would like to say congratulations to barry for breaking the all time homerun record set be hank aaron. some people might say barry cheated to get the record but guess what he never tested positive for steroids. when he hit 756 the guy who said he wanted nothing to do with the record hank aaron congratulated him which was very classy unlike bud selig who went to a couple of games and called his effort herculean which is dumb hank aarons message was herculean. bud selig was at milwaukee relaxing thats not herculean. Hank aaron did not follow barry bonds around which is fine because he is old he cant be traveling to san diego san fransisco or any other place.

There is a typo on the wikipedia page, stating that after Bonds hit his 716 homerun on August 7, 2007 that the Aaron video was shown. Obviously, the homerun is number 756 for B. Bonds.

All Star Game Appearances

I noticed that all three players (supposedly Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, and Willie Mays) with 24 all star appearances played less than 24 seasons in the league, and some sites list Hank's appearances as 21, which excludes his first and last seasons (adding up to his 23 seasons played). I'm not sure what should be put. If somebody knows why it is 24 for these guys, please explain. It's a little weird that there would be so many different and varying amounts across the internet. Thanks. 24.99.219.179 22:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

• This confustion results from the fact that two all star games were played every year from 1959 to 1962. Aaron was selected to both teams all four of those years, but he only played in three of the four extra games, so 24 is the correct number. The sites that use 21 as the number are counting number of years he made an all star team as opposed to how many all star games he actually played in. Indrian 23:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hank Aaron, Brewers and the NL

Henry Aaron played the last two seasons of his career with the Milwaukee Brewers of the American League. Can someone please fix this error?71.125.170.74 04:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. In the future, consider making the fixes yourself :) Kingturtle 05:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The word "vitriol" is misspelled in the article.72.83.90.69 (talk) 13:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I fixed it. In the future, please feel free to fix it yourself :) Kingturtle (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Erdös number

Inserting a note about his Erdös number might be interesting. Being completely oblivious of the baseball world, I don't really know. portugal (talk) 12:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

considering that he rates an Erdös number only because they both autographed a baseball, it's more of a joke. The Wikipedia list of people with an Erdös number does not contain Aaron's name or a link to this page.--SEWalk (talk) 09:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

RBI

It isn't mentioned in his achievments page that he is the all time RBI record holder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.78.63 (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, by far this is more important than his HR record, because it bespeaks of a more ocmplete player. Given stats, Aaron had a much more constsantly good season-to-season record than bonds did.

• Actually, RBIs are just as worthless as Home Runs for determining the value of a player. Furthermore, both the header of the article and the infobox include this record, so I don't see what the problem is. Indrian (talk) 22:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Confusing wording

As I recall, the 715 ball was caught on the fly by pitcher Tom House, so the phrase "it landed in the bullpen" is incorrect. It never landed! This is worth cleaning up, especially since it is unusual for a home run to be caught on the fly by another player. I saw the home run on TV, and it's what I remember best about it. ProfessorAndro (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

OK as is? Or you could says something along the lines of it was hit into the bullpen, where ... caught it.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

White students

It's relevant that they're white in that he had been besieged with death threats, and he later said that he wondered if someone had run onto the field to attack him before he could finish circling the bases. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 12:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Marq08, 24 April 2010

I would like to request that due to recent events, namely the opening of the Hank Aaron Childhood Home Museum on April 14, 2010, that an external link to its website Hank Aaron Museum be included in the article and perhaps a reference to its opening or media coverage be made in the awards and honors section or whatever section is deemed appropriate.

Marq08 (talk) 19:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done for now: The link is to the stadium, not a museum, which is more notable. Spitfire19 (Talk) 20:01, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

The name of the link is Hank Aaron stadium if you would prefer to link to museum.hankaaronstadium.com you may do so. The stadium is home to the new museum which was opened on April 14th, 2010. If you would like links to the local or national news coverage of the event to certify its notability I can provide those references. Marq08 (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.187.43.248, 30 May 2010

{{tld}editsemiprotected}} Aaron was a 21x all-star, not 25, as indicated.

67.187.43.248 (talk) 14:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Done Welcome and thanks, Celestra (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.219.89.190, 13 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Hank Aaron has 805 homeruns.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/mlb-credits-hank-aaron-with-50-lost-home-runs,2194/ 67.219.89.190 (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Sorry, The Onion is a news satire organization. It features satirical articles reporting on international, national, and local news. The Onion's articles comment on current events, both real and imagined. It parodies traditional newspaper features, such as editorials, man-on-the-street interviews, and stock quotes, as well as traditional newspaper layout and AP-style editorial voice. ^Avicenna_sis @ 06:39, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

New section

There seems to be miscalculations/misinformation in stating that Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's Home Run Record. 1. Babe Ruth hit 714 Home Runs in 22 years, in 2,503 games while being at bat 8,399 times. 2. Hank Aaron hit 755 Home Runs in 23 years (one more year), in 3,298 games (795 more games) while being at bat 12,364 times (3,965 more times). 3. If you take the total number of Babe Ruth's games of 2,503 (his total career) and apply the same number of games to Hank Aaron then he would only have approximately

  592 Home Runs in 2,576 games which is still 73 more games than Babe Ruth.

To be consistent you must compare apples to apples; # of games played to # of games played and to # of 'At Bats' to # of 'At Bats'. Just as if someone hit 100 Home Runs in one 20 games in a single season while being at bat 35 times then someone else hits 101 home runs in 25 games in a single season while being at bat 65 times; does that break the 100 HR that was set prior? Now I know that some people will think that this is a racist statement by defaming Hank Aaron,I'm not, but what if Babe Ruth was Black and Hank Aaron was White, would then the same standard be followed? LeeLeeB46 (talk) 16:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)From Breaking Babe Ruth's Record Wikipedia Encyclopedia

We aren't talking about home runs per game. We are talking about total number of home runs, period. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hank vs. Henry

"Hank Aaron" -wikipedia retrieves 894,000 hits. "Henry Aaron" -wikipedia retrieves 132,000 hits. Kingturtle (talk) 03:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Part of the ambiguity is that baseball cards usually had him as "Hank" vs. the famous Milo Hamilton radio call of number 715 in which he called him "Henry" [3] (Curt Gowdy also called him "Henry" on the TV call, I think). And then there's the song, "Move over Babe, here comes Henry", which includes the line, "Hank's hit another." And then, I may be wrong, but I think The Hammer himself says it both ways from time to time. In any case, his own autobiography is subtitled "The Hank Aaron Story" and includes a presumed autograph that says "Hank". [4] Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's a clip from the old-old "Home Run Derby" in which Mark Scott calls him "Henry" consistently. [5] So much for my theory that it was later in his career that "Henry" came up. This is actually an interesting clip in that it discusses the Home Run Derby ground rules at L.A.'s Wrigley. Mark then starts calling him "Hank". Go figure. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you look through the Gnews hits by 5 yr increments, it appears that he was most often Henry at the beginning, and most often Hank in the later years.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Anecdotal references from The Scrapbook History of Baseball: a 1956 clipping which calls him Hank; a 1959 clipping which calls him Henry; a 1961 clipping calls him Hank; clippings from 1974 have it both ways. Perhaps the most telling is his own father calling him "Henry". We're probably making too much of this, as I think he simply answers to both. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Sporting News annuals starting in 1955 when they first published rosters which had players' nicknames, consistently call him "Hank" every year. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Re-reading a 1974 book by Phil Musick, called Hank Aaron: The Man Who Beat the Babe, it seems that everyone in Aaron's family called him "Henry". On p.66 it says that Don Davidson, the Braves P.R. guy, came up with "Hank", as a way to try to make the already-stoic Aaron a little bit artificially familiar. The book also claims that "Hammerin' Hank", and also "Bad Henry" (the latter so dubbed by opposing pitchers) arose around that time, his rookie year of 1954. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

"1952 Negro League World Series"?

According to the Negro League World Series article, the last such series was held in 1948. Which article is right? -- 92.231.116.164 (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Primes in his career

To the main editors of this article:

I believe that it might be interesting for you to know that there is an article written in the Journal of Recreational Mathematics, by mathematicians of the Department of Mathematics of the University of Georgia, 714 and 715, that works some interesting properties of those famous numbers relating to prime numbers, a few of them easily understandable by people like me, with no special interest in Mathematics.

I was planning to write a small section with the same title as this one (a pun on Aaron´s main article other section, Prime of his career), but given that I don´t even understand baseball rules nor baseball culture (it is a rare sport in Argentina), I prefered just to signal the existence of the mathematical article and let you decide if the reference deserves a line or two in the main article.

I believe it deserves it, because it proves how that home run record penetrated into popular and even academic culture. In fact, the importance of that record is aknowledged in the mathematical article, although I was surprised to see that even racial tensions were involved, when curious about it, I was directed to the main Wikipedia article.

Great story. I might not understand baseball, but I do understand the heroism and the dignity, as it was shown by the people involved. In particular, Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth's widow.

Pmronchi (talk) 14:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Pre empting incorrect edits

There was a big scare today that Aaron died. Just making sure we all potential editors know that this was incorrect http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/03/hank_aaron_doing_fine_atlanta.html https://twitter.com/Braves/status/311182195345723392 --64.106.237.4 (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Much appreciated. This article I'm sure will get a major influx of editing whenever he does pass. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Reference/Footnotes

The references and footnotes are very hard to follow on this page. 74.103.168.153 (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Students on the Field

The section on home run 715 mentions that 2 white college students, including Craig Sager, rushed the field with Hank Aaron. The actual identities of the students is actually pretty common knowledge now, namely that they were high school seniors not named Craig Sager (http://http://vimeo.com/91475420 http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100827&content_id=14001780&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5504664). I would suggest that this be amended in the article. 71.45.21.116 (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Personal life? Wife? Children?

Personal life? Ncsr11 (talk) 08:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

The line "Aaron also has 5 sons named Hank Aaron. None of them play baseball" appears factually wrong and inconsistent with other descriptions of Aaron's personal life. If it is wrong, then it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.0.234 (talk) 03:32, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

civil rights

"a reluctant civil rights icon", was a description used by WSJ at the time of his death, [6]. What should the article write? 89.8.104.129 (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Home run record

"Broke Babe Ruth's record with 755, which stood for 33 years..." Most media (at least those with which I'm familiar) usually add "until MLB's steroid era" (albeit sans the helpful blue link, which would provide clarity for readers unfamiliar with the subject). I will declare my bias: I am a longtime fan of the great Mr. Aaron, and was filled with disgust and contempt when Barry Bonds usurped Aaron's record. With that in mind, rather than making a bold edit, I ask what others think about this. Thank you in advance. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

As no one seems to object, I have added it for the moment. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't see what's "POV" about it; it's commonplace in media, at least newspapers, particularly when referring to Aaron, Maris, and Ruth, et al. It would certainly be POV to say something like: "Aaron should still be considered the rightful owner of this record because Bonds wouldn't have broken it without steroids"; that goes without saying. I also agree that simply using "steroid era" as an invisible asterisk on my own would be POV. I don't think the same should be said for mimicking what is common, albeit admittedly not universal, practice amongst baseball writers everywhere. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected

Please add the line "No cause of death was disclosed" at the end of the sentence referring to Hank Aaron's death. 1.43.6.217 (talk) 20:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. O.N.R. ^(talk) 20:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Covid19 Vaccination

Hank Aaron took the Covid Vaccine about two weeks ago. I think that is worth mentioning: https://www.wkrg.com/honoring-hammerin-hank/baseball-legend-hank-aaron-got-virus-vaccine-earlier-in-january/ 105.12.6.5 (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, mentioned at the time in lots of WP:RS e.g. ESPN [7] and mentioned alongside his death ("Health experts urge confidence in vaccine after superstar’s death") in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution [8] and plenty of other WP:RS too. Some sources make a point of saying no cause of death is given, and we probably should too. The fact that some people will interpret it in different ways should not stop us mentioning it neutrally. Adpete (talk) 05:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. Adpete (talk) 07:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree we should state it. It was just removed, and frankly doind that only leads to edit wars. Jahabdank (talk) 23:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Henry

Can this page please be renamed to Henry Aaron? That was his name, and he detested being called Hank. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.179.60 (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

• This is not true. While it was the Braves' decision to start calling him Hank, he had no problem with it. He signed his name "Hank Aaron" for the rest of his life. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • It decidedly is true. He likened it to being called "boy" as an adult man. He answered to Hank, but he only really listened to Henry.
    • Do you have any sources? If he hated being called Hank so much, why would he say "I don't care if I'm Henry Aaron or Hank Aaron", release statements attributed to Hank, use Hank while writing letters, and autograph baseballs with Hank? He may have preferred Henry, but if he really had a serious problem with Hank, it wouldn't have been consistently used for over 65 years. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
      • The book 'The Last Hero' by Howard Bryant, which I can't find at the moment and thus can't quote directly, has a lot to say about it. From here citing the book: ( https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/henry-aaron-last-hero/ ) it says "No one who actually knew Aaron called him “Hank” (save Aaron’s teammate and mentee Dusty Baker, who later coached Barry Bonds). The nickname was media-fueled and suited a racially charged mischaracterization of Aaron as simple-minded." The Braves gave him the nickname and told him to use it and by the time he felt sure enough of himself not to, everyone already called him that. Much like a much nicer version of Dick Allen being called "Richie" in Philadelphia. Also his official page with the Braves calls him "Henry": ( https://www.mlb.com/braves/team/front-office/henry-aaron ), as does his Hall of Fame plaque. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.179.60 (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
        • I had a look at the book (there's a preview available on Google), and it moreso indicates that he felt "Hank" was disconnected from who he was, not that he hated the name all his life. It doesn't really address my other points either. And for what it's worth, his HOF plaque says "Henry 'Hank' Aaron" (standard form for HOF hypocorisms) and the Braves bio calls him Hank in the text. Anyway, I don't see the point of replying back-and-forth a billion times, so if you think there's really a chance this page could be moved, feel free to file with WP:RM. Nohomersryan (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
          • The book goes into some detail about that, and it is worth a read, regardless of how you feel about this issue. I'm not sure it's in print anymore or I'd have already bought a second copy to quote directly from. In any event, I've taken your suggestion--I'd never done that before and was unclear on how, so thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.179.60 (talk) 04:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
          • My husband, a lifelong Braves fan, told me that Aaron preferred Henry. That's not a citation, of course. However, if he preferred Henry, it seems disrespectful to entitle the article "Hank Aaron". I looked for citations for his preference, and found only one newspaper article. Also, google ngrams shows that Henry Aaron was most common early in his career, Hank later on. Because of this I believe the story that Hank was a nickname created by a publicist. I will look some more. Also, how often are wikipedia articles about people titled by their nicknames? Ngriffeth (talk) 17:08, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
            • @Ngriffeth: Almost always. We even have a rule about it, which I'm not taking the time to look up. See Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton for two examples. YoPienso (talk) 16:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Negro League Team

What is the reasoning for not including Hank's Negro League team (Indianapolis Clowns, 1952 before his contract was sold to the Boston Braves) in the infobox at the top? This information should be listed. The Indianapolis Clowns were his first professional team. To not list them, implies inferiority to the "real" (read: white) major league baseball teams. The Negro League teams are an important part of MLB history and a player's time with Negro League teams should be listed among their professional teams in the infobox at the top of the page. This should apply to not just Mr. Aaron's page, but all pages for players that have important ties to the Negro League teams. Thereadletter (talk) 14:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Historians generally agree that 1948 represents the last year that Negro league baseball can be considered to be played at a Major League quality. Robinson broke the color barrier in '46 and by '49 enough blacks had integrated the Majors and minors that Negro league baseball was a shell of its former self. By the time Aaron played for the Clowns in '52, the quality of play was that of what today would be called single-A or Rookie ball -- maybe even of lower quality than that, maybe barely even semi-pro ball. Aaron himself just used it as a stepping stone for pro ball. Therefore, it is hardly anything more than trivia when compared to the bigger picture of both Aaron's career and Negro league baseball itself. Rgrds. --64.85.216.208 (talk) 07:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't really hold much water in this context. The info box at the top, doesn't say "Teams of a certain (arbitrary) quality", it says "teams." If you look at any player info box in soccer, the teams go all the way back to their youth career. To be clear, I'm not advocating for that, but the Indianapolis Clowns were a professional baseball team when he played for them. The quality of play doesn't much matter despite your claims that "historians generally agree" (citation needed). They were a professional team, and should be listed to acknowledge his (and the) the history of professional Negro league baseball. Thereadletter (talk) 22:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

2021 redux

The Negro leagues, include the Negro American League, were categorized as "major leagues" by Major League Baseball beginning December 16, 2020. ( press release https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-mlb-officially-designates-the-negro-leagues-as-major-league ) Obviously full edits of all Negro league players' entries will take some time; but this seems a good time for Aaron's one season (1952) with the Indianapolis Clowns to be added to the article introduction, and the sidebar entry listing the teams he played for should move the Clowns to the same formatting as the Braves. I also suggest the article note that, once MLB finishes incorporating Negro league statistics, Aaron's 755 home run total will increase by five. (stats cite https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/22/hank-aaron-stats/ ) User:PeteGaughan (talk) 3:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

After Robinson's integration, the remaining Negro leagues' quality of play quickly deteriorated. By around 1950, the NAL was at a level of AAA or high AA. I would support doing this for someone like Paige or Doby, but the 1952 Clowns? Minor league. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 06:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe that MLB will make subjective or partial distinctions, or attempt to rank leagues; American Assn and Players' League were both inferior to National League but are still classified as "major". The MLB decision clearly puts Negro leagues on par with AL and NL. The question I raise is how to reflect that in the Aaron article. User:PeteGaughan (talk) 3:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

The WaPo article makes no mention of NgL stats. The headline of the MLB article states "Period from 1920-1948". We're talking 1952. Additionally, it makes no mention of Aaron. As it stands, there's nothing really to add to the article. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 05:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

25 All Star Games?

Several source state Aaron played in 25 All Star games from 1955 to 1975. Shouldn't this be 21? Where are the additional 4 games coming from? The AS Game is only played once per year, correct? Thank you someone for clarifying this.

Mikepascoe (talk) 19:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

From Major League Baseball All-Star Game#All-Star Game scheduling: "There were two All-Star Games played each season from 1959 through 1962. The second game was added to raise money for the MLB players' pension funds, as well as other causes. The experiment was later abandoned on the grounds that having two games watered down the appeal of the event." Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 01:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Personal Life - Vaccination for Covid-19

That Mr. Aaron was innoculated is indeed a fact. He did so publicly with several other African American leaders to encourage others to do the same in the battle against Covid-19. This does not in any way tie into his death. According to Dr. Walter A. Orenstein, a former director at the CDC’s immunization program and a professor at the Emory Vaccine Center, all the data from clinical trials did not support a role for vaccine in causing death.

Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said in a program where millions of older Americans and those with serious health conditions are being vaccinated, some are going to die of heart attacks, strokes and other causes that have nothing to do with a vaccine.

Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease expert at Emory School of Medicine, said the much bigger risk to frail, older people is the coronavirus. “We have 4,000 (COVID-19) deaths every day in our country,” he said. “We need to put things in perspective. I’m more afraid of COVID than I am the vaccine.” GJFraser (talk) 00:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Why is his vaccination mentioned under his death if they are not related? Aaron was promoting the vaccine and in a twist of cruel irony his death is being used by anti-vaccers as evidence the Covid vaccination causes death. They point you right to Wikipedia as evidence.

I don't know anything about editing Wikipedia, but I suggest that mention of his vaccination not be included under the subject line Death. ~trm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C6:4A80:47C0:DD0B:F02E:22CF:8850 (talk) 00:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hank Aaron → Henry Aaron – Henry was his name, the name he preferred to go buy. According to the book 'The Last Hero' he hated being called Hank, which he associated with the same kind of racism he felt from being called "boy" as an adult man. He certainly went by Hank, and would respond when called that, as he was far too nice of a person to scold someone, much like a nicer version of Dick Allen who one day stopped putting up with being called "Richie." I think today is an appropriate time to honor Henry Aaron by renaming his Wiki entry to his proper name. "Hank" can go in as most nicknames, e.g. "Henry 'Hank' Aaron." Thank you for your consideration. I am a Wiki newbie, so if this needs to go elsewhere I apologize. 66.223.179.60 (talk) 04:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

supportSrikTLG (ta≥lk) 05:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)SrikTLG

• Oppose "Preferred to go buy"? How much did he pay? Please don't be silly. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose He was almost ubiquitously known as Hank. As WP:UCRN discusses, "the name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred." In this case, this is Hank. TheMrP (talk) 05:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Hank Aaron should be the name of this article per WP:COMMONNAME. Natg 19 (talk) 05:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Good faith proposal, but I'm still not really convinced he especially considered "Hank" a scourge. As I indicated earlier he was fine with writing letters as "Hank", releasing statements under "Hank", autographing baseballs as "Hank", using "Hank" on twitter, releasing an autobiography called "The Hank Aaron Story", and saying "I don't care if I'm Henry Aaron or Hank Aaron or nobody". I see this as more like Wilver/Willie Stargell than Dick/Richie Allen. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - slightly better known as Hank IMO, and short of proof that he hated the name "Hank" himself - I'm inclined to leave well enough alone. Thanks to User:Nohomersryan for the research. — Ched (talk) 05:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
• Snowclose per above. His common name will be Hank Aaron for the forseeable future. May he rest in peace. O.N.R. ^(talk) 05:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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This is ridiculous. He hated this name. We should honor his own wishes. WTF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.179.60 (talk) 10:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

How this awesome and amazing baseball player felt about his nickname is not nearly as important as how he is written about in reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a reservoir of the feelings of notable people. We must rely upon and only upon how those notable people are written about and referred to in reliable sources. That is why WP:COMMONNAME is a major and important policy on Wikipedia. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 10:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Let's say for a moment that he did hate the name "Hank". I'm not sure that he did because I do not know how reliable that claim in that one book is. Surely the national media didn't get the memo. Wikipedia is not here to right great wrongs. We're here to follow the reliable sources, which make clear that "Hank", a common hypocorism of "Henry", is the common name. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Its sad, but its the name he is most commonly known as and as history will remember him. It is an interesting fact that he apparently didn't like his name, but that's about as far as that little bit of trivia is going to get on this article. We are editors and we are suppose to report the facts as the WP:RS reports them, not interpret them as WP:OR. EliteArcher88 (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Cause of death

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/01/22/hank-aaron-baseball-hall-of-famer-dies/437341002/

https://www.revolt.tv/2021/1/22/22244419/hank-aaron-passes-away

https://www.complex.com/sports/2021/01/henry-hank-aaron-dead-at-86

According to these three sources, he died from a stroke. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Not done Per conflicting request, more recent request below. Patience seems in order. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

News reporting on vaccine theories. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/hank-aaron-dies-days-after-receiving-moderna-vaccine/ 2600:8804:6600:592:A96A:7F6E:3131:22E2 (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Children's Health Defense is an advocacy org known for publishing fake news. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Fake news? So are you saying that he didn't in fact die days after receiving the vaccine? Paul Magnussen (talk) 03:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Chronology does not match statements

According to this page, Aaron was "named the Braves' vice president and director of player development" following his 1982 induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and "this made him one of the first minorities in Major League Baseball upper-level management." HOWEVER, the next paragraph states that he "became senior vice president" in 1980. If this second paragraph is correct then the 1982 appointment would not have been the milestone-setter. AdmPope (talk) 12:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)