Talk:Halloween (2007 film)

Question

When Michael Myers escapes, what happens to the girl that the two security guards were raping in his room? Is she killed too or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.51.198 (talk) 23:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Michael killed her. The only reason why he killed the two guards was because they were trying on his masks. But the film doesn't show what happens to her.--CyberGhostface (talk) 23:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Halloween sequel Article

Someone tried to make a sequel article a few weeks ago. The never started article was removed however It is time to start one. A poster for the film has been released. I'm not promoting anything just mentioning it. It's on all the Halloween myspace sites and Rob Zombie's also. Here are the links. These although they are myspace profiles are confirmations that there is a sequel being made for sure. Rob Zombie is making this film also. Rob Zombie's: and Halloween Movies's: . This is enough to start a article. Since production has begun it is definitely being made.--VampireKen (talk) 00:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, you seem to have found out already. How do you people get this info so fast? I guess I don't look at Zombie's myspace posts--VampireKen (talk) 01:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Please read WP:NFF. We only create articles for future films when they are released, or their production itself has become notable. Since the sequel has yet to actually enter production (i.e. it's not notable, there is no need for a page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Got it. I just got the myspace update from Rob Zombie's myspace blog. (the real one). Just checking to see if it was on here yet. So when does an article on it start up? When the production photos are released or trailer or closer to when the film is actually coming out? I'm not making it, I'm just wondering--VampireKen (talk) 04:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Either when the film is released, or when we have enough production information to warrant separating it from the franchise article. In other words, we we have far more than that little paragraph we have now.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

We have lots of information (see "'Halloween' Sequel Gets Official Release Date," "Danielle Harris in Talks to Return in 'H2'," "Spoiler-filled Casting Breakdown For 'H2'," etc. from which to build an article. Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

All one-line blurbs that do not constitute "notable production", especially since production has not even started.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

References

New movie same series

I have just reverted an edit that someone made to the article. The edit was removing preceded from the info box. They said it was a new series. It is but this is part of the halloween series in general. I have to go, could someone explain this. So if others try it they don't get confused.--VampireKen (talk) 00:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

A way to explain it is like this. The original story line is finished. but Halloween and H2 (what it's being called now or a working title) though remakes are still part of the Halloween films. There is talk of a trilogy but that is just rumor and if true it would be a few years until a third film is released. Then there could be talks of separating it into two series. That's not a proposal by the way to anyone that reads this. An easier way to say it is like how Halloween 1, 2, 7, 8 are one series of films. 4, 5, 6 are another storyline. and 3 is a stand alone film. but I heard that a remake of it was released a few years ago under a new title. That's not important though now. Not based on any facts, the trilogy (if made) will mix all the story lines into three films. Or Laurie will become the killer. Now it sounds like a forum. but it's all one big series unless it is declared separate.--VampireKen (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

There actually is no need for this section on the talk page. I'm fairly sure it's been covered somewhere. But overall, the best way to put it is that it's all the same "series", even though it's not the same "canon". --HELLØ ŦHERE 02:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Example why sequel stays off page and no article

Bignole and JpGrB are telling people over and over again NO MENTION OF SEQUEL IT'S NOT OUT YET! Well if it enters production hold off until it actually comes out. A very good example is Wes Craven's A Nightmare On Elm Street. During production the studio ran out of cash which delayed production for about a few weeks or a month. They might have been promoting the film the film almost got canceled. Although the film was released it almost never made it to theaters. Another example was the Halo movie (which an article was created for). Producers were confirmed actors were trying to get in. The studio was confirmed. Guess what? They could not make a movie because they could not make a story for the film. So the film got canceled. What if they can't decide how they want to continue the storyline in H2 and completely cancel the movie?(they'll find a way but what if?) The reason I'm writing this is to give examples of popular films that have gotten canceled. Listen to them. It could happen to H2.--VampireKen (talk) 05:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not just when the film is released, it's when it's pre-production, or production itself, is notable. What is at the franchise article in the "future" section is all well and good, but not substantial enough to get it's own article, let alone be mentioned here. A remake of A Nightmare on Elm Street is supposedly in the works too, but their "future" section is just fine for that. --HELLØ ŦHERE 05:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Reception section too long?

Does anyone else think so? Jabberwockgee (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Not in the least. It's summarzing opinions. Do you want to only include 4 people?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Death List

Need to make a whole page on all the characters that died in all the filmsBig Eazy 02:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 (talk • contribs)

Death lists are unencyclopedic. That is why we don't put them in articles. They hold no actual value to the page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

If you want to read or edit a Halloween death list, there's one at the Horror Movie Wiki. They're not suitable for this site because they are in-universe plot information with no real world context.  Paul  730 14:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The name of the sequel

There was edit before that said the official title was H2: Halloween 2. Yes it was called that on ET but not in the trailer the trailer only calls it "H2". here's the trailer: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810061258/video/13140292 --Darkness2light (talk) 19:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems to be what they are calling the film, so that should be what is listed here.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

"Cream of the Crop" or "Top Critic" Rotten Tomatoes score being used in reception section

I removed the score of the "Cream of the Crop" (now called "Top Critic") critics from the article due to a consensus by WikiProject Film members that it is generally not an appropriate score to use. 2 main issues are at hand:

1 - the sample size is too small to be useful when generalized and

2 - as per discussions here and here, the score of the "Top Critics" section is different in different regions of the world.

Picking a critic to be included in the "Top Critic" section is based on some set criteria but also allows for subjective input "as determined by Rotten Tomatoes staff." Since European readers will always be directed to the UK version of Rotten Tomatoes website and Australian readers to the Australian website, the score of the Top Critic section could be much different on each website. Since this is an English encyclopedia and not an American encyclopedia, it would present too much of a US-centric point of view (even if this is an American film) to state that "the film was received thusly by top critics" all the while a UK-based reader might see a different number when clicking the reference link. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 20:56, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Information on deleted scenes?

In the version im currently watching two employees at the sanitarium in which Michael is being held, in a very graphic scene, rape a presumably insane young woman in front of Michael attempting to coerce him into joining in. They put on his mask while performing the rape which elicits a violent response from him and leads to his escape. Can someone enter information on this and other deleted scenes into the article? I think it is relevant 74.190.83.54 (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You're watching the Director's Cut of the film, not the theatrical cut of the film. We don't typically just list the different scenes that appear in different versions, unless there is notability to it. As, a lot of the time, special editions and director's cuts do have different, extended, or sometimes fewer scenes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Hollywood fraud perpetuated, again

Wanna know why people are SO misinformed? Dr. Loomis buys a handgun in a retail store; film ignores 72-hour wait in 'real life' Illinois; Doctor carries concealed; 'Real life' Illinois does not allow open OR concealed carry (though hopefully that may finally change soon) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois#Recent_events.

While 'artists' claim 'artistic license' and that 'this is only a movie', folk's perception is affected by these false portrayals. Just like 'Hollywood guns' that never require reloading. Nearly EVERY film is propaganda for the gun-control crowd. And, MOST hypocritically, most of the 'big stars' that profit from using guns and violence in their films are rabid pro-control freaks in 'real life'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.249.109 (talk) 04:53, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The film also shows lots of people being killed, ogling scantily clad women while unaware they are being spied on, stalking, rape, victimization of the main character as a child... all of which are presumably not allowed in Illinois too. Are you just trolling, or are you GENUINELY OK with dramatizations of these but wish for greater realism on gun issues in film? MrZoolook (talk) 23:55, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Jake Evans murders

I just read about this case where a teen named Jake Evans killed some of his family after being "inspired" by the way Michael killed his sister with ease. I think this would be an interesting fact to add somewhere in the article. Sources - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268264/Jake-Evans-How-teen-killed-mother-sister-Halloween-remake-left-inspired-amazed-murder-family.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/jake-evans-confession_n_2552173.html --Matt723star (talk) 20:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure that that it's all that relevant. It certainly isn't a high profile case, and there isn't a string of murders committed because of the film. It seem slike undue weight being placed on a single incident.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:07, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so, I think it's entirely relevant to the page, because his murders were committed due to an obsession with the movie (or the scene itself), and he's confessed that it influenced him. This is sort of like the murder that happened when The original Halloween II was released, and it's mentioned on that page as well. --Matt723star (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually there is a big difference. In the original case, it was the lawyer who charged the film caused hallucinations in his client, and it sparked a lot of discussion regarding media violence influencing kids. In this case, we have a kid "claiming" that the film influenced him. There is nothing else there. It received no other publicity. If we documented every time a criminal "claimed" to be influenced by some book or film or TV show then we'd have a whole page devoted to any one film. Please read about undue weight, as well as about "other pages".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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