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Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion
Duffy, in the ODNB blurb on Godred Crovan, Olaf Godredson, and Godred Olafsson, gives the date of Olaf's assassination as "29 June". I wonder where that date comes from. It's not in the Manx chronicle translations I've seen by Anderson and Munch. Does anyone know? I like to know when a piece of information is from a specific historical source, and not just surmised or theorised by someone. I suppose that, since it's a precise date, it must come from one of the primary sources he lists at the end of his blurb. Hopefully it's online somewhere. These are what Duffy lists for the ODNB blurb for the three.
G. Broderick, ed. and trans., Cronica regum Mannie et Insularum / Chronicles of the kings of Man and the Isles (1979)
AFM
W. Stokes, ed., 'The annals of Tigernach [8 pts]', Revue Celtique, 16 (1895), 374-419; 17 (1896), 6-33, 119-263, 337-420; 18 (1897), 9-59, 150-97, 267-303, 374-91; pubd sep. (1993)
Historia Gruffud vab Kenan / Gyda rhagymadrodd a nodiadau gan, ed. D. S. Evans (1977)
Giraldus Cambrensis, Expugnatio Hibernica / The conquest of Ireland, ed. and trans. A. B. Scott and F. X. Martin (1978)
F. Grainger and W. G. Collingwood, The register and records of Holm Cultram, Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological Society, Record or Chartulary Series, 7 (1929)
[J. Wilson], ed., The register of the priory of St Bees, SurtS, 126 (1915)
A. W. Moore, A history of the Isle of Man, 2 vols. (1900)
A. O. Anderson, ed. and trans., Early sources of Scottish history, AD 500 to 1286, 2 vols. (1922)
Ah never-mind. The chronicle says "the day of the apostles Saints Peter and Paul". Good thing Anderson put a footnote in, that completely flew over my head.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Whoops. Duffy specifically says "she was Caillech Críst, daughter of a man called Ua Cuilén" - I'll make that more clear in the article. This is all his 'Irishmen and Islesmen', BTW. He continues: "One may note, for what it may be worth, that An Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh's genealogy of the Uí Fhiachrach Muaid (whose tribal territory encompassed that held by Ua Siblen of Uí Echach Muaid) records a grandson of the legendary Fiachra Ealgach called Cuilén, 'from whom are [descended] the Uí Cuilén of Ath Fen' (unidentified, but in the same area of County Mayo) (John O'Donovan (ed.), The genealogies, tribes, and customs of Hy-Fiachrach (Dublin 1844), 98-101)".--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:36, 13 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
Oh! I feel stupid now. I've haven't looked at Duffy for a long time. In any event the Ua Cuiléin of Munster were still prominent during this time. They appear a number of times more in the annals than I have in their article, which I should get back to, and mention this other unrelated sept. The killer wife of the one stabbed to death in 1266 was probably a daughter of the king of Desmond. Their pedigree also survives in sources, going into Norman times. But a Cenél nEógain-Uí Conaill marriage alliance seems pointless. DinDraithou (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)Reply
