Talk:Georgia Brown (Brazilian singer)

Listen

Here you can heard and verify seeing what note is it besides.This is a RARE collection taken from all Georgia Brown's songs.

georgia brown videos :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRClw495tIs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wSyIdwCFM&feature=related

This video shows and claims nothing higher than an 8th octave note that sounds more like 7th. octave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.101.59 (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Missing Disambiguation

This article on the Brazilian singer has unfortunately replaced an article on the British singer of the same name. British Georgia Brown starred in "Oliver!" in the West End as well as on Broadway. She was nominated for a Tony award for "Oliver!" in 1963 as well as for "Threepenny Opera" in 1990. She is best known for her stirring rendition of "As Long As He Needs Me" from "Oliver!". I would like to see this omission corrected.

Now created Georgia Brown (English singer), and Georgia Brown as a dab page. -- Beardo 13:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Verification?

It says under wikipedia's "Vocal ranges" article what this article says. It says exactly this:

World records and extremes of vocal range As noted above, claims of exceptionally wide vocal ranges are not uncommon among some singers. Fortunately, in 2006 the Guinness Book of Records published several categories relating to extremes of "Human vocal range." It stated the following:

Females

Greatest range: Nine octaves, G2-G10, Georgia Brown [Brazil] Highest vocal note: G10, Georgia Brown

It's been verified. I posted pictures of the page from Guinness that says this under the discussion page of Talk:Vocal range. Whether to trust Guinness is the true question.... 69.160.116.44 20:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Guinness removed this claim of a G10 after 2005 in the absence of any recording of the alleged feat. The 2007 edition instead cites a C#8 by Adam Lopez Costa recorded on a Guinness World Records show in 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.101.59 (talk) 00:27, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

What?

"Because any note above a D10 cannot be heard by human ears, her G10 had to be verified by using a violin, piano, and hammond organ." This isn't possible. Guinness couldn't verify something against a musical instrument if they can't hear it. Besides, I'm pretty sure none of those instruments can even touch the 10th octave. I know this is what Guinness has in the book, I've seen it, but that's not possible. They also posted her octave range wrong. There's a big difference. Guinness needs to vocals people.

I know this. But That's what the book says and I also know they measured the frequency of the note not the sound. I don't know why instuments would help, maybe recording the frequency of the instruments notes and comparing to her note. I have heard georgia sing a F8 which is pretty high to me. But I know it does sound weird. 67.181.94.96 21:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I flat out removed the sentence. I couldn't find it at all, including on the Guinness site. I added {{expand}} for this reason... but I'm not sure if that's verifiable at all. Unless you can show a screenshot or picture from the Guinness book that says that, it's not verifiable. It also doesn't make much sense, so... I don't know. I'm guessing they tested frequency, though, if they did do it that way. -- Jjjsixsix ^(t)/_(c) @ 03:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Should have followed a link. This shows it quite clearly, and I'm assuming what they meant by that is what I wrote in the article. -- Jjjsixsix ^(t)/_(c) @ 04:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Why wouldn't they just record her voice digitally with a good mic and slow it down 200% to get it back into the range of human hearing, or better yet digitally measure the frequency of her singing, which would be simple and conclusive. That sounds much more practical than dragging her to a church to...mix her frequencies with a Hammond organ (as the header says: "What?") Really, this whole thing sounds very fishy. After reading this article I watched every Youtube video of her I could find and she never went above G7. Yes, this is very, very high, yet they're claiming she has another three octaves on top of that. I'm skeptical about a human singing out of the range of her own hearing - and staying in tune, talk about a good sense of pitch - and I've heard nothing approaching that in the recordings. Can we get some more data in here? Skotoseme 00:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. In this video she reaches 3322 Hz at 6m44s, which is "merely" a G#7 (please ignore the notes shown *in* that video - they are completely incorrect almost all of the time). This doesn't mean or prove she can't go higher - but three octaves *above* that is simply ridiculous, and most likely a strange translation bug done by Guinness. For example in Helmholtz notation, c’ is equivalent to C4, and therefore c’’’’’’’ (which *can* be written as c⁷) would be C10. So maybe someone thought it was Helmholtz notation and translated it "back" to scientific notation, which would explain 3 octaves difference, who knows. Fact is, you cannot verify 25kHz on any standard instrument, because they cannot *produce* these tones - why should they? Nobody can hear these notes! Also, as Skotoseme quite correctly points out, how do you want to sing in tune if you can no longer hear what you are singing? Agreed, they didn't say she could sing in tune up there, only that she could *reach* it. But still... --Cruncher (talk) 07:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Vocal Range

It's 8. Just like if your feet end at the 2 meters mark, and your head at the 10 meters mark, you're spanning 8 meters. Same for the voice: she can sing 8x12+1=97 notes, not 9*12+1=109 notes. It's not Einstein-level math! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.168.231.194 (talk) 17:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

According to Vocal range it's 9 octaves, not 8. Anyone know which is correct? RazorICE 02:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, according to Vocal range, it's 8. Softlavender 08:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It's 8. The easiest way it figure it out is to find the highest and lowest notes of the same letter in the range and subtract the number of the lowest from the highest. but if you want it to be fully explained this is easiest:

G2-G3

G3-G4

G4-G5

G5-G6

G6-G7

G7-G8

G8-G9

G9-G10

Each of these is an octave range. There are 8 which means she has an 8 octave vocal range. 67.181.94.201 08:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

please read this, at the end in the vocal range talk page, when they talk about georgia's record. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vocal_range

It's not the matter of subtraction. She can sing: G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7, G8, G9 AND G10. That is nine octaves. I'm correcting the article for this. Note that it is also nine octaves on her official website.--Eddie 00:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Musical range is defined as the musical interval from a singer's/instrument's lowest note to their highest note. Being able to sing a note in the arbitrarily-defined "tenth octave" does not give a singer a ten-octave range. It gives them a range with an upper boundary in the "tenth octave".--Primarscources 21:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, so we know at least one English language edition of Guinness World Records erroneously listed her range as 9 octaves instead of 8, but if you click the YouTube link in the section headed "Listen" above, you will see a page of Guinness World Records in Portuguese (most probably the edition published in Brazil, Georgia Brown's home country) which gives her range as "Oito oitavas" - eight octaves. I don't know much Portuguese but I believe the other information given is the same as in the English edition, including the piffle about verifying ultrasonic vocal pitches against instruments whose ranges do not extend that high: it would appear something has been lost in the editing of the book. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 02:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Other stuff

Shouldn't the article say something about her recordings - albums etc ? Does she do concerts ? What about a picture ? -- Beardo 13:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I Put her MySpace as a link because it's the only offical page she has right now. Sposato (talk) 14:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Range

On Brown's official website there is a page where she purports to sing every G of her "nine octave [sic] range." G2 (despite being a half step sharp) through G7 are convincing - that's five octaves, by the way, and nothing to sneeze at. The problem is, both G8 and G9 are completely missing; she announces the notes and after that we don't hear a pitch, a breath, a throat being cleared, anything. Then we get to G10, which would prove an eight octave range, and all you hear is her squeaking up around D8 for a minute before sliding down a minor third and clearly settling on...B7. At G10, we shouldn't be able to make out any note at all; harmonics lie above notes, not below, so unless she's doing some throat singing up there to keep things interesting, this isn't G10. I realize that world record holders aren't required to make websites proving their accomplishments to the public, but really, what's going on here?

• Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem is the answer. You are not hearing her voice. You are hearing a digital recording. Frequencies above of the half of the sampling rate cannot be heard. Instead of this you get a distorted sound, because the original sound was not recorded in first time. The standard sampling rate for CD is 44110, so any frequencies above 22050 cannot be recorded (and even near frequencies lack harmonics). G10 is at 25088 Hz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.203.36.71 (talk) 23:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

She can't hit G10. I see this old article (2004) here http://www.rankbrasil.com.br/Recordes/Materias/?Maior_Extens%C3%A3o_Vocal+612&Grupo=3 It said she can hit Sol 9, Sol 8, Sol 7, Sol 6, Sol 5, Sol 4, Sol 3, Sol 2 (I use google traslated) And rare high note youtube videos of her seem to be inaccurate , such as the song "loneliness" is G#7 not G#8, "Always" is E7 with listenable overtone E8 not G8. However, I still believe she has the largest vocal range, along with the highest note. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.157.191.146 (talk) 18:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Unreadable.

geez, my eyes are bleeding.. it's 2:35am, so I won't start cleaning it up, but someone really should do it.. ebi. (talk) 00:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I finally cleaned up the article a bit on May 22 2010. See above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.101.59 (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Coloratura Sopranos

There is so much that needs to change about this article I hardly know where to begin. However, the list of coloratura sopranos is absolutely laughable. The only one I, as an opera fan, had heard of is Mariah Carey. The phrase coloratura soprano is an operatic term and to present a list of coloratura sopranos that doesn't mention a single famous proper coloratura soprano is absurd. I know almost nothing about Georgia Brown (which is why I was reading the article) but I can suggest a few real coloratura sopranos such as Joan Sutherland, Eda Moser, Lucia Popp, Diana Damrau. I would also say that a man should never be described as a soprano, even if he has the same vocal range as one and they never do anyhow. Lotus49 (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

That's right. The correct term for male who sings in the same vocal range is sopranist.--Joshua Issac (talk) 16:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Disputed inline: alleged Vocal range of G2 - G10

I'll cite the Whistle register article here: It includes the following SOURCED sentence: "Female singer Georgia Brown was listed in the 2005 Guinness World Records for highest note (G10 or 25 kHz) ever reached, but this claim was removed when the 2007 edition was issued, since no recording that would prove the note being real was ever released."

See also "Verification?" and "What?" talk page sections.

(Btw, there's only one citation used for the G2 - G10 claim, and this source is not compatible with WP requirements (and it is additionally also contradictive (you can't check the pitch of an inaudible G10 by comparing it to the same note on musical instruments (the highest note of such musical instruments being C8 btw)).

And the highest note publicly showcased by her is appr, 3 OCTAVES (!) lower than G10.)

PS: You can see in the edit summary that the G10 claim had already been removed, but was later re-added by another editor. Let's discuss this please. Thanks in advance!

Best wishes, Stimmbildung (talk) 18:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)