Talk:Florence Ashley

List of useful media articles to be added.

The following is a (currently unsorted) list of useful media articles that could be added in various parts of the article:

• https://xtramagazine.com/culture/trans-conversion-practices-florence-ashley-220924
• https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2021/10/19/you-can-say-woman-and-we-can-say-person.html
• https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/anti-transgender-narratives-canada-1.6232947
• https://www.wired.com/story/for-marginalized-groups-being-studied-can-be-a-burden/
• https://transsafety.network/posts/florence-ashley-conversion-book-interview/
• https://nationalmagazine.ca/en-ca/articles/people/profiles/2019/en-gendering-change
• https://www.uc.utoronto.ca/news/amplifying-trans-voices - 2021 Trans day of visibility interview
• https://www.who.int/news/item/18-12-2023-who-announces-the-development-of-a-guideline-on-the-health-of-trans-and-gender-diverse-people
• https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/hq-hiv-hepatitis-and-stis-library/biographies_tgd-gdg_proposed_members_2024.pdf?sfvrsn=5b1e7491_3
• https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12917509/WHO-accused-trans-bias-calling-self-ID-right-transgender-care.html
• https://xtramagazine.com/culture/be-gay-do-crime-explained-263699

The following is a (currently unsorted) list of secondary articles citing Ahsley:

• https://nationalpost.com/news/drop-dehumanizing-mental-health-assessments-for-trans-youth-wanting-body-altering-hormone-therapy-mcgill-bioethicist-argues

The following is a (currently unsorted) list of sources that I can’t identify if are primary or secondary

• https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/pre-treatment-mental-health-assessment-of-trans-people-dehumanising-and-unjustified/

Sources that talk about Ashley’s work in a negative context:

• https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/bioethicist-transgender-children-should-decide-whether-to-transition/ - Editorial, doesn’t mention Ashley by name but does discuss a paper of theirs

Reviews of Ashley’s books:

• https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-136/made-to-feel-broken-ending-conversion-practices-and-saving-transgender-lives/
• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/09685332231193957
• https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/lgbt.2022.0111?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed
• https://www.canlii.org/en/commentary/doc/2023CanLIIDocs2056
• https://nationalmagazine.ca/en-ca/articles/law/access-to-justice/2022/banning-transgender-conversion-practices

Awards Ashley has received:

• SOGIC - already mentioned in article
• https://www.droit-inc.com/article24225-Une-1ere-auxiliaire-juridique-trans-a-la-Cour-supreme French language article on winning the SOGIC award.
• https://www.law.utoronto.ca/news/florence-ashley-sjd-receives-adel-s-sedra-distinguished-graduate-award 2022 Adel S. Sedra Distinguished Graduate Award
• https://www.law.utoronto.ca/news/doctoral-student-florence-ashley-receives-u-ts-peter-singer-award-in-bioethics 2021 University of Toronto’s Peter Singer Award in Bioethics

Regarding citation by UN independent expert:

• https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/thematic-reports/ahrc4453-practices-so-called-conversion-therapy-report-independent

Regarding National Assembly testimony:

• https://www.assnat.qc.ca/fr/travaux-parlementaires/commissions/crc-42-1/journal-debats/CRC-201105.html
• https://www.assnat.qc.ca/fr/travaux-parlementaires/commissions/ci-42-2/journal-debats/CI-211202.html

Need to find:

• Secondary sources analysing or citing their work
• Articles about Florence that aren’t interviews of them.

More to add to this as I find it. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

My primary concern right now is overuse of WP:PRIMARY sources, via interviews with Ashley. There’s a couple of notability hurdles that need to be addressed before we can consider pushing this draft for review. Accordingly we need to look at WP:NBASIC for general biographical notability, or WP:NACADEMIC for academic notability. I think we’ll have a stronger case for NACADEMIC than NBASIC, given Ashley’s work. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:00, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

What we really need at the moment are WP:SECONDARY sources. Anything where Ashley’s work has been reviewed, either by their peers or wider audience. Is there any reviews of Ashley’s recent book we can cite? Are there any sources, aside from their University of Toronto profile page that mentions their work being cited by the UN Independent Expert on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity? Or their legal contributions to the Qubec National Assembly? Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

I have added links above to the UN report and to the Natioanl Assembly hearings, but they are the official report/transcript rather than a secondary source.

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2024

Change: In 2023, Ashley was one of 21 members appointed to the World Health Organization’s guideline development group concerning the health of trans and gender diverse people.[15]

To: In 2023, Ashley was one of 21 members appointed to the World Health Organization’s Guideline Development Group concerning the health of trans and gender diverse people,[15] but as of January 15, 2024, they was no longer listed as a proposed member of that group.[insert citation below]

Citation: https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/hq-hiv-hepatitis-and-stis-library/biographies_tgd-gdg_proposed_members_2024.pdf Bert Adan (talk) 12:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done with an explanation of why. “They was” changed to “they were” per rest of article. Thriftycat ^{Talk • Contribs} 12:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Suggested additions

As I am the subject of the article, it would not be appropriate for me to make edits. I am including information below that I believe would be useful additions to the article. It would also probably make sense to split the current “Personal life and education” heading into “Personal life and education” and “Career” or “Work” since some of the information doesn’t really fit into personal life and education.

Florence is a member of the Women’s Legal Education and Action Fund’s Law Program Committee (link) and of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association’s National Council (link).

Florence has coined the term ‘gender modality’, which is increasingly in use in trans health, education, and by governments and courts:

• The term was coined in 2019, in a pre-print of the following essay: Ashley, Florence (2022). “‘Trans’ is my gender modality,” in Erickson-Schroth, Laura (ed.), Trans Bodies, Trans Selves (2d ed), Oxford University Press, p. 22 (available here: https://www.florenceashley.com/uploads/1/2/4/4/124439164/ashley_trans_is_my_gender_modality.pdf)
• It was recently the subject of a commissioned article in the prestigious scientific journal Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01719-9
• The term is increasingly used in trans health publications, including in official statements by professional medical associations. See eg https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000001003
• The term is included in educational material by Planned Parenthood. See https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/transgender
• The term is included in a technical glossary by Statistics Canada (the country’s official statistics agency) in relation to its official classificatory scheme for gender information. See https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/pUtil.pl?Function=getNote&Id=1326715&NT=01
• The term was included in a list of marginalized identities by the Supreme Cour of Canada in Michel v. Graydon, 2020 SCC 24

The book Banning Transgender Conversion Practices: A Legal and Policy Analysis, discussed under ‘personal life and education’, was reviewed in the following outlets:

• https://harvardlawreview.org/print/vol-136/made-to-feel-broken-ending-conversion-practices-and-saving-transgender-lives/ (a “thoughtful, thoroughly researched, and important contribution” to “the project of securing transgender health and respect”; however, it is a Canadian book and “In the United States, for example, many provisions in Ashley’s model law are unlikely to pass constitutional muster.”)

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/09685332231193957 (“I cannot emphasize enough how groundbreaking this work is.”)

• https://nationalmagazine.ca/en-ca/articles/law/access-to-justice/2022/banning-transgender-conversion-practices (“You know an author has succeeded when the reader doesn’t realize how easily a book reads despite its complex subject matter.” Describing the book as “nothing short of a rhetorical tour de force” that is “a must-read for jurists, healthcare professionals and policy folks who want to understand this critical issue in a clear, concise, yet thorough manner.”)

Florence’s masters thesis, which formed the basis for the book referenced above, was cited by the UN Independent Expert report on conversion therapy for the proposition that “Practices aimed at changing gender identity include preventing trans young people from transitioning.” See: https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/thematic-reports/ahrc4453-practices-so-called-conversion-therapy-report-independent

Florence testified before Québec’s National Assembly twice:

• https://www.assnat.qc.ca/fr/travaux-parlementaires/commissions/crc-42-1/journal-debats/CRC-201105.html (testimony by Florence Ashley on the province’s conversion therapy ban; opposition MNA Maccarone, in her discussion with Kristopher Wells, also suggested following the definition of conversion practices offered by Florence Ashley
• https://www.assnat.qc.ca/fr/travaux-parlementaires/commissions/ci-42-2/journal-debats/CI-211202.html (on the province’s controversial Bill 2, which would have separated ‘gender’ and ‘sex’ markers and was decried for outing and misgendering trans people)

Florence was part of an open letter by Alberta law professors to Alberta Premier Danielle Smith raising concerns about her proposed policies on trans youth. See: https://ablawg.ca/2024/02/15/an-open-letter-to-premier-danielle-smith-re-preserving-choice-for-children-and-youth-announcement/

Selected academic publications should perhaps include the following two, as they are significant in the field:

• Ashley, Florence; Brightly-Brown, Shari; Rider, G. Nic (13 June 2024). “Beyond the trans/cis binary: introducing new terms will enrich gender research”. Nature. 630 : 293–295. doi:10.1038/d41586-024-01719-9. ISSN 0028-0836.
• Ashley, Florence; Parsa, Neeki; kus, til; MacKinnon, Kinnon R. (2023). “Do gender assessments prevent regret in transgender healthcare? A narrative review”. Psychology of Sexual Orientation and Gender Diversity. Advance online publication. doi:10.1037/sgd0000672. ISSN 2329-0390.

Flowsthatglow (talk) 13:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)