Talk:Fatal Frame III: The Tormented

Some one is editing wrong

I have seen that some one have added wrong information in Fatal frame 1, 2 and 3, adding a character that doesn't exist ("Tsukiko"), i have deleted this in all the pages, please don't do it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.201.111.121 (talk) 07:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Endings?

The synopses of the endings don't make sense in the context of the article. Either simplify them to work with the current plot synopsis, or expand the plot synopsis to provide necessary information to have the endings section make sense. Also, I think it'd be a little more economical to work the mention of the endings into the synopsis itself. I haven't played the game, so I can't help there. -Lamarcus (talk) 03:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

"citation needed"

citation needed on the plot? how is that possible? what other citation than THE GAME ITSELF do you need as a citation? im removing all those remarks.KRISHANKO (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

im also considering removing the "citations" on the other sections as the information is all there in the manual. i know this because IM READING THE MANUAL RIGHT NOW.KRISHANKO (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you have the manual. The article doesn't, in any way. -017Bluefield (talk) 21:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

well, the stuff posted on the article is taken from the manual, so there is NO need for "citations"KRISHANKO (talk) 02:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

A lot less people know that than you seem to realize. -017Bluefield (talk) 04:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

which goes to show you that ONLY people who have played the game should be allowed to write on the article. im currently reading the articles of the games i own to see if someone was stupid enough to ask citations on the plot. most dont have a single one. though koudelkas synopsis could pass for a small book on its own. obviously im also gonna remove cites from ff1 and 2, but when i get on a pc. no way im editing from the wii. KRISHANKO (talk) 04:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

First, the citation should be verifiable by other users. (e.g. I input a citation and you edit any mistakes) Second, someone may notice a typographical error in the article, but can't if they aren't, as you put it, "allowed to". Plus, higher-ups who may not have played the game (i.e. Administrators) wouldn't agree with you.
That aside, you use the Wii for Wikipedia, too? -017Bluefield (talk) 22:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

im not saying users who havent played the game should not EDIT, im saying people who have not played the game should NOT ask for verifications regarding (at the very LEAST) the plot of the game, as long as it was written by someone who owns/has beaten the game. if there is something wrong, another user who owns/has played the game can edit it. i read the plot written here and everything is correct, no need to ask for citations.

its like writting the plot of a movie, and someone asks for citations.... REALLY? you would have to be mindbogginly stupid to do that. if an admin hasnt played the game either, then he also has no bussiness here. or would you allow someone who has NO KNOWLEDGE of something, write an article about it? of course not. and i use the wii's browser for those times when my pc is turned off.KRISHANKO (talk) 03:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's apparently a standard for Wikipedia video game articles. Here are some examples:

• Dead Space 2
• Fatal Frame II: Crimson Butterfly
  • Spirit Camera: The Cursed Memoir
• Final Fantasy X
• Kingdom Hearts II (358/2 Days)
• Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 • 4
• Siren: Blood Curse
  • Half-Life 2 (Episode One • Two)
  • Left 4 Dead 2
• Warframe
• Xenoblade Chronicles

-017Bluefield (talk) 06:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

(Also, we need to avoid copyright infringement in any form. -017Bluefield (talk) 06:23, 6 April 2013 (UTC))

several articles ive read dont. as i said, koudelka doeant have a single "source" (nor any "citations needed") although i can confirm everything written there happens in the game. shadow hearts doesnt have any. illusion of gaia, phantasy star 2, sword of vermillion, ace combat 4, ace combat 5, clock tower 3 (another micro-novel it seems), the suffering, the 7th saga, grandia. i can go on, i mean i got another 800 games i can look up.KRISHANKO (talk) 05:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

People don't always add citations because they don't care enough.
Look, the citations are there to a) allow others to verify content, and b) avoid/prevent piracy and copyright infringement. Getting rid of them destroys the purpose of having the article in the first place. -017Bluefield (talk) 07:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Citations in a "plot" section of a video game article are optional (though encouraged), even at the FA level. Adding "citation needed" tags, therefore, is not helpful, unless you're doing it for your own benefit to fill in later. That said, plot citations are quite handy, and completely appropriate to add- removing them is not appropriate, as they add useful data to the article. Bluefield is also correct that if the information you're using is in the manual, you need to explicitly cite the manual- citations are only optional for "plot" sections, they're mandatory for all others, including "gameplay", and citing your own knowledge is not okay. --PresN 20:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

In addition to what PresN said, citations are helpful (and sometimes required) in cases of plot interpretations, comparing or contrasting unrelated works, or areas where the plot is vague. Woodroar (talk) 00:46, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Random refs from the dev section

Audio

• Tsuki Amano - "Koe"

--Niemti (talk) 12:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I was hoping someone could synthesis from the sources… :/ —017Bluefield (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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Reviewer: TarkusAB (talk · contribs) 16:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this one. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 16:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

• "Rei's design, while more mature than earlier protagonist, retained the slender style of earlier protagonists." (alliteration)
  • Sorted.
• "Kei's design had no keywords" I know what you mean but this feels like a weird cross-culture thing that is not explained. You didn't introduce that the characters are based on keywords or introduce other characters' keywords. I think keywords being used to define characters is a Japanese thing that not all readers will understand the way you just threw it out here. Not sure what you may want to do to fix this.
  • Did my best with this section.
• "The characters were designed by Hiromi Gyota, the ghosts by Hiroyuki Yazaki, and promotional artwork by Kiyotaka Sugiyama." You don't mention these names again. Are any of these people notable? Probably best to remove because adds no value.
  • Cut it. Their names are in the infobox, but I went ahead and removed it.
• In release it says: "As with other entries, the game was not numbered in Japan, allowing it to act as a standalone entry." But in the development section it says: "While each Fatal Frame story is standalone, Fatal Frame III was specified as a sequel to the two previous games." So I'm a little confused what their intent was. Or was this just promotion talk. Maybe these comments should be closer to each other and sources checked again to see if there are details to clear up confusion.
  • Did my best, but also removed the more promo-ish bit from the end.
• "Beginning in May, a pre-order bonus campaign offered a DVD containing behind-the-scenes material related to the series." I own this DVD and it does not contain any "behind-the-scenes" material. It is just retellings of the stories of the first two games. Rips are available on YouTube.
  • That was a translation goof on my part, thanks for catching it.
• "balancing the horror elements of the original Fatal Frame with the narrative focus of Crimson Butterfly." Did it say this somewhere in development and did I miss it?
  • That was another translation goof that I forgot to correct.

Good job. I did not enjoy this game anywhere near as much as Fatal Frame 1 or 2. The flipping back and forth between dream and reality world bothered me. My favorite in the series is FF2 by a mile. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 09:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: All sorted, I hope. And yeah I get why most like Crimson Butterfly, but out of all the FFs I've experienced (at second hand because I can't play horror games to save my life) I prefer the grief-focused story of The Tormented and its messages about moving on while remembering. That's why I never touched the main article or completed work I started on its Wii remake (not even sure the remake should count as its own article). --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:55, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I hope to get to working on Crimson Butterfly someday if you don't. Anyways, GA TarkusAB^talk/contrib 17:46, 21 January 2023 (UTC)