Talk:En Avant Guingamp

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The result of the move request was: no agreement for this move Kotniski (talk) 11:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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En Avant de Guingamp → EA Guingamp — 21:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC).

Could you give a reason why this should be done? If not I would be inclined to oppose such a measure.--Jojhutton (talk) 13:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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Translating from fr.wikipedia.org

Hi All!

I just want to let you know I'm going to be translating the French wiki article for EAG into English and I'll be adding it in to the English page when I get a chance. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanmcdyer (talk • contribs) 20:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 3 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Even the proposer was convinced the move was not appropriate. Number 57 15:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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En Avant Guingamp → EA Guingamp – Per WP:COMMONNAME (the article itself says that EA Guingamp is a common name of the club) and per the standard naming of Football|France=yes clubs. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. No such user (talk) 12:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in France=yes#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football|France=yes's list of association Football|France=yes-related page moves. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 21:38, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
• @Paul Vaurie: What do you mean by the standard naming of Football? Rublov (talk) 00:49, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

  The Guardian, to name one English-language publication that covers European Football|France=yes, doesn't appear to use either name: 11 or so results for "En Avant Guingamp" (mostly from 15–20 years ago), and only 2 results for "EA Guingamp", neither of which are actually in article text.

  As far as I'm aware, the WP:COMMONNAME of this club is simply "Guingamp", but since that conflicts with the name of the town the title uses the official name as natural disambiguation. I don't see much benefit to changing "EA Guingamp", which is neither the official nor common name. Rublov (talk) 18:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

“the standard naming of Football|France=yes clubs” is the editing pattern of adding initials to club names for parts of the name that aren’t the common name. Like “RC Strasbourg Alsace” is not “Racing Club de Strasbourg Alsace”, the RC is cut down. It’s just to describe the editing pattern for the naming of Football|France=yes clubs, particularly French ones. Look at Montpellier HSC, OGC Nice, Lille OSC… you get the point. It’s the standard way. En Avant should be cut to EA. Paul Vaurie (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. "EA Guingamp" is neither the common name nor the official name in English. Per WP:TITLEFORMAT: Abbreviations and acronyms are often ambiguous and thus should be avoided unless the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject. Acronyms are acceptable in cases like Liverpool F.C. and Lille OSC where the full title is easily inferred, but few would guess that "EA" stands for "En Avant". Rublov (talk) 00:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Does it really matter that it would be "hard" to guess what EA stands for? I'm pretty sure you'd be surprised when guessing what OGC Nice stands for, for example. Paul Vaurie (talk) 12:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Rublov. RedPatch (talk) 01:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, also per Rublov. Looking through alt-language WP articles for Guingamp, I see a few uses of "EA", but the majority seem to use "En Avant", (see the wikidata linked articles) including the French wiki (although the infobox there is titled "EA"). I feel that a more descriptive title should always be preferable as well, regardless of what other articles titles are (such as OGC Nice, there are probably thousands of other problems like this on Wikipedia, we can only focus on this one here). ASUKITE 18:19, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: discussion can be closed, even as nominator I must agree, oppose arguments are stronger. Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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