Talk:David Dick (soccer)
Latest comment: 7 years ago by Wbm1058 in topic Requested move 29 September 2016
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Requested move 29 September 2016
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: pages moved, as recommended by Amakuru. wbm1058 (talk) 22:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
– This is a WP:TWODAB situation, and the soccer player is clearly not a proper WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "David Dick". He seems relatively obscure, and the article about the journalist has had about four times as many page views per day over the last 90 days (despite the CBS News article linking accidentally to the soccer player when the journalist was intended). Also, "(Kentucky)" seems like a poor disambiguation term for the journalist. If a disambiguation term is needed for the journalist, I suggest that "(journalist)" would be better than "(Kentucky)". Comments about whether "(soccer)" is the best thing to append for the soccer player are also welcome. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:56, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- @BarrelProof: for some inexplicable reason there's a David Dick (jockey) who not only won the UK's most important race in 1956 but holds the record for number of clear rounds in that race, but was a redlink. There's also Dave Dick (footballer). In ictu oculi (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- I see that you also found a work of literature. It sounds like we should put a dab page at the base name. I have created David Dick (disambiguation) for that purpose. We might also need to further disambiguate between the two footballers. How about moving David Dick to David Dick (American soccer player) and moving Dave Dick to Dave Dick (footballer, born 1901)? In my personal experience, every "David" has also been commonly referred to as "Dave", and every "Dave" is called "David" in formal contexts and on driving licenses, birth certificates, etc. We don't seem to have a birth date for the American soccer player, which causes me to suggest the alternative form of disambiguation. I just put a move discussion notice at Talk:Dave Dick to notify watchers about this discussion. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- @BarrelProof: it seems Dave Dick is/was an Aussie rules footballer, not an Association footballer, so there is no conflict in fact. Just soccer will do. But the "(footballer)" redirect does need to come to the dab page, as it currently does. — Amakuru (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, yes. I'm glad you noticed that. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
- @BarrelProof: it seems Dave Dick is/was an Aussie rules footballer, not an Association footballer, so there is no conflict in fact. Just soccer will do. But the "(footballer)" redirect does need to come to the dab page, as it currently does. — Amakuru (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
- I see that you also found a work of literature. It sounds like we should put a dab page at the base name. I have created David Dick (disambiguation) for that purpose. We might also need to further disambiguate between the two footballers. How about moving David Dick to David Dick (American soccer player) and moving Dave Dick to Dave Dick (footballer, born 1901)? In my personal experience, every "David" has also been commonly referred to as "Dave", and every "Dave" is called "David" in formal contexts and on driving licenses, birth certificates, etc. We don't seem to have a birth date for the American soccer player, which causes me to suggest the alternative form of disambiguation. I just put a move discussion notice at Talk:Dave Dick to notify watchers about this discussion. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:13, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed all those solutions above sound fine. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
- Support The journalist is primary. Or take the disam route. Johnbod (talk) 13:35, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. Now four people by that name, none of them the primary topic, so move David Dick to David Dick (soccer) and David Dick (disambiguation) to David Dick. Dave Dick (Australian rules footballer) can be moved to simple Dave Dick, as he's the only person here by that name. The fact that some of the others might have been known to their friends as Dave Dick (and might not have been) is neither here nor there, since that's not what they're commonly known as. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- The jockey was also certainly known as Dave Dick, and was probably primarily known by that name, per the headline of the obit that is the first source cited in that article. The sourcing on some of the others is also a bit sparse, so we don't necessarily know whether they were commonly known as David or Dave (or both). —BarrelProof (talk) 03:58, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
- Move as follows:
- Agree. And Dave Dick → Dave Dick (Australian rules footballer), which IIO already did. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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