Talk:Cooleemee

Property v. House

After a request to look at this, I expanded the article. I'm really not familiar with writing articles on sites that are currently inhabited v. those that are now museums, parks, etc. The information I found (and there's plenty Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL ) appear to be mixed re: the family and the property - mainly because they appear to be inextricably linked. I'm not sure whether the family should be covered here or elsewhere -- it's here for now but I'm not against moving it to a better location if there is one.

Also, the name of this article. Elkman's generator and NRIS show that the property is indeed on the list as Cooleemee - but I think there's an issue between that and Cooleemee, North Carolina (which appears to also be the plantation). I created Cooleemee Plantation House as a re-direct since that seems to be a commonly used name. TravellingCari 18:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

About the 2nd issue: Cooleemee is first & foremost the town, secondly Cooleemee Mills, third Cooleemee high school (closed historic building) and lastly the house. Most local people didn't know the house existed. Mom just recently visited the house, she never knew it was there and she grew up in Mocksville, her Dad worked at Cooleemee Mills, and she graduated from the now defunct Cooleemee high school. In more recent times the house had a PR push to draw attention to themselves..I've still never been.

Opinion: By family I presume you mean the family that lived there through most of its history and not the more recent owners. I would include info on them in this article until such time that there is enough to break it out into a separate articles if the notability is there to do so. My 2 cents...⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Notice the lack of mention of the house in this town writeup. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. Cooleemee, North Carolina leaves a non-local with the impression that there isn't much there. From the house's description in various texts, it doesn't appear that it's generally described as within any incorporated area but rather between the two incorporated locations. I just don't think the current given name is the best for users -- do we know if they're searching for Cooleemee (which was a re-direct to the town until Appraiser decided to create this articlee) are they looking for the twon or the plantation. Plantation appears better known stricty from a source perspective but you've clearly presented the other side which has merit as well.

Re: family, I mean the Hairston family as featured in Wiencek's book who have lived there. I'm not sure who currently lives there following the death of Judge Hairston in Feb 07 as I didn't look too far into that. TravellingCari 22:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Cooleemee, the house, is not in the mill town of Cooleemee, it must be a couple miles away because it is on the bank of the Yadkin River (town and river, on which Boone Cave State Park is located, both visible in Google maps). So it is not surprising that a writeup on the mill town for the "Davie County Heritage Book" omits discussing the house. The "Heritage Book" project could have assigned to someone else the task of writing up Cooleemee the house, which is elsewhere. If the Heritage Book didn't cover the house, then that would be too bad for them, as the house seems interesting and important.

The importance of Cooleemee the house vs. Cooleemee the town depends on your perspective. From the perspective of architectural historians, the house "wins". The house is architecturally important according to the NRHP application which i've skimmed; I am projecting that the town is not architecturally important because I think if it were it would have buildings or a district listed on the National Register. (Foard-Tatum House is the only NRHP listing in Cooleemee, as far as i can tell, and it is not further designated to be a National Historic Landmark as Cooleemee the house is.) Article name-wise, a local preference can take precedence, but I don't see a conflict. "Cooleemee" for the house vs. "Cooleemee, North Carolina" for the town seems to work fine for article names, especially now with the disambiguation link recently added by Circeus. And for consistency in wikipedia coverage of NRHPs/NHLs, the NRHP/NHL infobox needs to keep the NRHP/NHL name (just "Cooleemee"). doncram (talk) 14:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I learned a new term from this 'see also' clarification. Thanksm Doncram. I agree re: historians v. others, I think especially in light of the biography on the family/house, the house acquired some extra notoriety. I can't imagine the house wasn't covered in the Heritage book, I didn't finish going through all the book listings for this as I had limited time and was more concerned with making it assert notability rather than writing a comprehensive article. I agree re: infobox, just wasn't sure whether Cooleemee might need to be a DAB seeing as there's also a place with that name in Alabama. TravellingCari 17:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Wording

An early sentence now reads, confusingly: "Based on a plate published in a Godey's Lady's Book in 1850, the house is one of 33 National Historic Landmark sites in North Carolina." The National Historic Landmark program did not exist until 1960, so the 1850 book could not have possibly provided that information. As documented in List of National Historic Landmarks in North Carolina (and by the numerous National Park Service documents that wikipedia page is based upon), there are 38, not 33, National Historic Landmarks in NC now. Hope someone can cut that sentence up and otherwise fix it. doncram (talk) 20:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Bad wording came from moving around a number of sentences. I fixed it to something that reads better to me, what do you think. I took out the number of sites, not because I disagree, but because the source I'm using for the plate-history of the house design was either wrong or written when there were only 33 sites. Am happy to put the 38 in there when I or someone else can find a way to work the source in - I just don't want to take the chance now of incorrect attribution. TravellingCari 20:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

It's better now, thanks! I don't think it is necessary and it is not usual in articles about individual NHLs to say how many NHLs there are in the state, which can change. Optionally, you could put a "See also" to the state-wide list. But there is already a category link to go to NHLs in North Carolina, first entry of which is the state-wide list, so readers do have a way to navigate to the state-wide NHLs. I think it's good as it is now, with respect to this. doncram (talk) 13:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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