Talk:Consulate General of China, Houston

Latest comment: 4 years ago by The Squirrel Conspiracy in topic Did you know nomination

Old redirects for discussion

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See also Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_June_1#Consulate-General_of_China_in_Houston

Because of the 2020 closure this topic is now notable. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk20:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

 
Chinese Consulate-General in Houston, Texas

Created/expanded by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 00:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing:   - n: the list of consuls is not sourced anywhere I can see, and makes up a noticeable part of the article.
  • Neutral:   - n: The US's reasoning for closing the consulate is not cited to any third party source, just to a direct US quote, and the US is very much involved here. We want a third party source. In fact, the US reasoning is not even explained very well by the quote, see below.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:  
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Sorry for causing so many problems for such a small article, especially one you brought back from the dead! I think you can fix it, though. Besides the above:

1. please provide a well cited explanation of why the US closed the consulate, especially since this is such a big part of the article. Did they specifically accuse the consulate of spying or helping spying? How, when, why, where? Was this a reaction to some other alleged spying by China not connected with the consulate specifically? Again, we need a good source that says this. Was this a general part of the Trump-China trade war, and the spying was just an excuse? Then we need a good source that explains this, not just a US statement. If it is not clear, and it is a mystery what happened here, we should say that, again well cited. As it is, I, at least, am left confused by why the consulate was closed.

  • Unfortunately I don't think either China, the US, or a really well-connected investigative journalist will be releasing detailed dossiers of Chinese intelligence operations from the Houston consulate soon, so all we have are public statements. Juxlos (talk) 03:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

2. from this, you can probably tell that I disagree with User:Mx. Granger's comment, and think the second hook is more interesting. For any given country, there has to be a first consulate in the US, that means there are what, 200+ of them? That's not particularly novel. Having a consulate being forced to close down at short notice is (hopefully!) rarer. In fact, would you consider a hook that combines the two, that mentions that it was the first consulate and had to be closed within 72 hours?

3. please consider re-including the content about Li Cunxin that was there before the article was deleted. The article wasn't deleted because it wasn't interesting content, it was deleted because there wasn't enough about the consulate itself. You now have enough about the consulate itself, we can support a couple of sentences about an interesting incident in its history, and we can restore the content written by the original article creator. By the way   Thank you for restoring a deleted article, and making it interesting, that's really cool.

Thanks! But for #1, I think you're misreading my request. I don't expect you to "find out the truth", I know that's going to be impossible, I just want some reliable third party sources explaining in more detail: was (A) the allegation against this consulate specifically, (B) Chinese consulates in general, or (C) just a ploy in the trade war? The quotes you selected both don't do that, and are primary sources. After you responded I decided to find out whether such reliable third party sources even exist and they sure do:
I am sure there are even other sources, and there is probably more detail in even these four articles, but these are just the first few that I found in under 5 minutes and I haven't really read them in depth, but please do pick one or more of these and use them as sources, because just a few quotes from the sides without third parties putting them in context don't really explain the issue, and don't really meet our standards for WP:RS and WP:NPOV. --GRuban (talk) 11:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've updated with some sources, but I'm refraining from explaining it too much at this point as a lot of information I could find are generally quoted to "former intelligence officials" et al. Juxlos (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
 , for ALT2. Thank you! --GRuban (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC) GRuban (talk) 02:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
@GRuban: addressed some concerns and issues. Juxlos (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

List of consuls general

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Found in Chinese: http://houston.china-consulate.org/chn/zlsxx/2323423/ WhisperToMe (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Former office

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For a period it had a temporary office at 3400 Montrose http://web.archive.org/web/20040219082625/http://houston.china-consulate.org/eng/sgxw/t57183.htm WhisperToMe (talk) 01:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply