Talk:Bob Dole/Archive 2

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Spouse?

Joe Herbal??? Is that vandalilsm? Rmpfu89 01:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Religious Affiliation

Should his religious affiliation be delisted? See article: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/bates042605.htm

Homagetocatalonia 18:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I was going to say that the term "affiliation" answered your question, as the linked article questions the orthodoxy of his belief, not which church he chose to be affiliated with. However, adherents.com has two separate religions listed for him: Episcopalian [1] and Presbyterian [2]. The webpage on his youth in External Links says he was raised a Methodist. The category tag should be removed until someone can confirm exactly which church he is a member of. JChap 23:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Caricature

JChap2007, calling a caricature mean-spirited is POV because it's not a fact, it's an interpretation. Leaving it out does no harm to the informational content of the article. It doesn't matter whether it's directed at Bob Dole himself or not, it's still an opinion. Supadawg - Talk 23:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

In one of the sketches, the caricature is called "mean-spirited" by Dana Carvey's Geo. Bush character, so it doesn't seem like an intepretation to me. Just saying he refers to himself in the third person doesn't seem an adequate description. Any suggestions? JChap 00:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe not, but it seems like an interpretation, especially to one who has not seen the skit. Saying it was "mean-spirited" didn't add anything to the description anyway. You could attribute it to the George Bush character. Supadawg - Talk 00:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Prosecutor, not District Attorney

Dole never held the position of "District Attorney" so that category does not apply. The "Prosecutors" category is appropriate though as it does apply to Dole.

"Best known as..."

The article begins "Robert Joseph "Bob" Dole (born July 22, 1923) is best known as a former Republican United States Senate Majority Leader and Senator from Kansas from 1969-1996..." I'd contend he's best known as the Republican candidate in the '96 presidential election. Even if (and it's a big if) American readers know him better as the former senate leader and senator from Kansas, I'd be willing to bet that that's certainly not the case for international readers. Thoughts?

I agree. I think he's best known both in the US and abroad as a presidential candidate. By the way, you can sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) Theshibboleth

I see your reasoning, but I feel that a man with such a distinguished record of service shouldn't be immediately identified by his last defeat. I think majority leader should come first, then the defeat. You can still use the "best known as..." after identifying him as the SML. 165.201.5.7 20:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)Unregistered Steve

Poorly Phrased

The bit where it discusses his medals is very poorly phrased: "Bob Dole was once decorated for heroic achievement, receiving two Purple Hearts for his injuries, and the Bronze Star Medal with combat "V" for valor for his attempt to assist a downed radio man that had died forty years later. His name was Rick Lemming.". He tried to help a man who died 40 years ago? The drowned man's name is "Lemming"? I believe they were trying to state that he was awarded the medal 40 years after he tried to save the man, but without basis to back that up, I'm unwilling to make an edit. Napalmgod 05:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Dole's Military Service

I believe that more extensive information should be listed about Dole's military service. I recall from an interview that he ran in front of a german machine gun to rescue a radio operator. I cannot confirm this, but I think this kind of information should be added considering it is germane to his political career/credentials. --MonkBirdDuke 09:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Neoconservative

I changed "Reagan-era neoconservative" to "Reagan-style conservative." Neoconservatism is a foreign-policy term and not appropriate there. If someone wants to play with the sentence a little more to give it extra meaning, be my guest. Papercrab 05:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Third Person

The quote used to exemplify Dole's characteristic use of the third person is not an apt example. "You're going to see the real Bob Dole from now on." Anyone would commonly use this phrasing as opposed to "You're going to see the real me from now on." I can't find a better quote at the moment but maybe someone can.

Trivia

Though Dole, was the second oldest person to receive the Repubican presidenital nomination (age 73 + 1 month, 1996) - President Ronald Reagan was the oldest (age 73 + 6 months, 1984). Dole was the oldest (first-time) Republican presidential nominee (Reagan was 69 in 1980), should this trivia-fact be added? GoodDay 14:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't someone add the ReDeath parts? (BOB DOLE IS A CYBORG!)

Locked

I'm the person that made this page what it is, and now I can't edit it? Why? User:Burroughsks88 21:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Oops!

George W. Bush is incumbent president. Not Clinton. Not to be rude or nothing. -Non user

Bob Dole's DOB?

Ok, i know he's old... but do we have any idea HOW old he is? The article makes no mention of his date of birth. I mean, he's old, but it's not like he was born before we kept records of these things. Someone must be able to find it, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.205.44.251 (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC).

NPOV?

The incumbent, Bill Clinton, had no serious primary opposition since the Monica Lewinsky scandal had yet to surface.

Why even mention the scandal

Lead

Hi everyone. Is it really necessary to mention this in the lead:

"In 2007, President George W. Bush appointed Dole as a co-chair of the commission to investigate problems at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, along with Donna Shalala."

In WP:LEAD it stated that only major events of the person's life should be in the lead, and the lead should cover all or most of the sections of the page in summarizing form. There is no section dedication, or even mention of Dole's Walter Reed scandal investigative position anywhere in the article, and it definetly doesn't belong in the lead. What do you think? Happyme22 18:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph

For some reason, I don't appear to be able to edit this page, but I think the opening paragraph should be changed from "was a United States Senator..." to "is a former United States Senator", since "was" implies that he is dead.

why

why no mention of his 2008 presidential bid?--BobDole'08 (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

eRepublican

Any reason why it says he was the 1996 eRepublican candidate for president? Are they going digital? 71.11.215.216 (talk) 02:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Why?

Is Bod Dole the only man in the history of the two major U.S. political parties to have been his party's nominee for both President and Vice President? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.207.169.6 (talk) 14:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Environmental Record

This is an extremely unprofessional section - is it important enough that it's worth revising, or should it just be deleted?

Bob19191 (talk) 02:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. I revised it, but now I realize it's more of a POV by one organization. I'm moving it here for rework.Novasource (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Environmental Record

Bob Dole spent 27 years in the U.S. Senate, serving from 1969 until 1996. In those years, he built an environmental record not favored by the Sierra Club. According to the nonpartisan League of Conservation Voters, Dole averaged a pro-environment voting score of 20% from 1970-95. In 1996, Dole argued heavily against a bill restricting logging companies in remote pockets of Northern California. Dole’s major opponent was Bill Clinton, who advocated for restrictions on harvesting timber crops. Dole, however, countered that concern with a concern for the people in the logging communities in those areas. The restrictions on logging for these timber mills had devastated the logging communities, as they had greatly lessened what had once been an area with an abundance of jobs. References

1996 Map wrong

The map designer apparently confused New Mexico and Arizona. The map shows Dole winning Arizona, but Forbes won, 115,962 to 102,980. See Arizona Secretary of State's site [3]. And Forbes is shown winning New Mexico, but Dole won with 76%; New Mexico was dead last that year, and Dole already had the nomination sewn up by then. See Wiki [4]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leewah1 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Linux

What about a mention of his advocacy of Linux? StopVandalsNow 21:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

What about Viagra?

His endorsement made Viagra widely known. Does he get a pass because he's venerable and ancient? 06:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect side bar info

Th dates currently listed for MINORITY Leader should be moved to MAJORITY leader January 3, 1985 – January 3, 1987

Dole served as Majority Leader 1985-1987 and then 1994-1996, Minority Leader from 1987-1994

129.237.134.77 (talk) 20:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)Morgan

Perennial candidate?

Should Bob Dole's name be placed on the perennial candidate article? --达伟 (talk) 05:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Robert Doll Street Prishtina Kosovo

See this: http://jmilton6000.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/kosovo-or-kosova/

The street is here we think: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47120917 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdupont (talk • contribs) 10:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong stuff

I don't know why it says he's a studpuffin and I'm pretty sure he never represented Ballers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.173.14.194 (talk) 05:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Bob Dole represents Bob Dole, and Bob Dole doesn't stand for Ballers, Ballas, Balers or Bailiffs. Bob Dole believes in balanced budgets and doling out bailouts for those who don't do what Bob Dole does. He's a Bob Dole for all seasons, but Bob Dole is not a studpuffin, America. Not today and certainly not tomorrow! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

How did he earn two varsity letters in football at Kansas while serving in the Army in Europe? If they were honorary letters given to all players currently serving, that needs to be said. If it's just a mistake, it needs to be corrected. 24.128.160.32 (talk) 12:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC) Mike Peterson, Jan 28, 2012

Cut Deficit in half

Bill Clinton did not cut the deficit in half. He only balanced the budget during his term.

The source cited only mentions the deficit by quoting Clinton as saying Dole's plan would "blow a hole in the deficit" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.233.137 (talk) 15:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Bill Brock

@GodOfNonTyranny: If you're going to remove content at least do us the courtesy of leaving an edit summary explaining why. We have many rules regarding behavior here on Wikipedia and you'd have an easier time editing if you'd bother to read them. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:09, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

...Actually there are no rules whatsoever, claiming there are "rules" is false as fuck not to mention a violation of policy, demanding for someone to be annoying and stupid (for example by using an "edit summary") is ridiculous, and you'd have a better time interacting with human beings if you'd "bother" to acknowledge that other people are one rather then using narcissistic sarcasm to attempt to start wars on talk pages. Even doing so for that sole purpose since you obviously had no interest in something about the actual edit since you didn't even bother to mention what it was.  GodOfNonTyranny 12:51, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

And all my edit does is remove useless and irrelevant information which is only four words long, so even if "edit summaries" were a valid thing to do in non-abnormal circumstances, it would make 0 sense to demand one since there is literally no possible answer to your implied question since all I did was remove the name of the campaign manager in an article about a presidential candidate where nothing special or extreme happened in relation to said manager and improve readability and usefulness of the article and remove unneeded length etc.  GodOfNonTyranny 13:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I disagree that the information is useless and irrelevant. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 17:09, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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*3 public domain images, however article itself could use expansion, more sources/citations, as well as some structure and uniformity both to the citations/sources and the article itself... Smee 18:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

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Ribbon rack

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Photo caption

The photo of Bob Dole states ‘American canadian’. It’s an inaccurate description of the senator’s nationality. Vtxplant (talk) 13:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Questionable statement

I found this last sentence of the main section

Dying Dole, very sickly with a wheelchair got up and saluted George H. W. Bush at his funeral.

confusing: AFAIK Mr. Dole is still alive, so he couldn't have been _really_ dying on the day of H. W.'s funeral. And "sickly with a wheelchair" is semantically suspect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.232.175 (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Remove the link to US presidents in the infobox section on Senate Majority Leader and replace it with a link to either the President Pro Tempore, or Vice President (President of the Senate)

The position of Senate Majority Leader and hierarchy of the Senate is entirely separate and independent of the US President, so I think linking Reagan and Clinton in this section is inappropriate. The Vice President, on the other hand, sits in the Senate and is the President of that Chamber, so I think this would be more relevant. Another more appropriate choice would be the President Pro Tempore, who acts as President of the Senate when the VP is not present. Both of these figures have a direct relation to the Majority Leader and fit into the Senate hierarchy better. (The VPs were George H. W. Bush, 1985-1987, and Al Gore, 1995-1996. The President Pro Tempore for both terms was Strom Thurmond.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GibbNotGibbs (talk • contribs) 18:22, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2019

In the third paragraph under 1996 presidential campaign, please change "Dole found the initial draft of the acceptance speech written by Mark Helprin as too hardline" to be grammatically correct, either by removing "as" or by changing "found" to "saw." Giuseppe Jibbs (talk) 04:23, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done Removed "as." aboideau^talk 19:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2020

I stumbled upon a spelling mistake and would like to request to have it changed. It concerns the first sentence of the "Early Life and Education" section.

Dole was born on July 22, 1923, in Russell, Kansas, the son of Binta M. (née Talbott; 1904–1983) and Doran Ray Dole (1901–1975).

The name of Bob Dole's mother is misspelled. Please correct her first name which is "Bina" not "Binta". So the corrected version should be: "Dole was born on July 22, 1923, in Russell, Kansas, the son of Bina M. (née Talbott; 1904–1983) and Doran Ray Dole (1901–1975)." The source which is referenced in the article contains the correct name of Dole's mother, it was just falsely typed-out in the article, thus I hope it is ok not to provide another source since the existing source material backs up my edit suggestion. Michelschroeder (talk) 16:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for catching that, Michelschroeder! aboideau^talk 16:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 Oct 2020

Note #89 lists a publication date of Dec 2020, which I presume was intended to be Dec 2018

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Beef up the presidential politics part of this Wikipedia page

Bob Dole ran for president 3 times and vice president once. He was a major party nominee one of those times and his 1988 campaign is documented in What it Takes. If Joe Biden's 1988 campaign can have such a good Wikipedia page just by itself surely there's more to say than what we have here for Bob Dole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.105.130 (talk) 16:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Bob Dole 1996 presidential campaign

I support the split out of this section proposed by User:Molandfreak. It should be relatively straightforward to carry out. BD2412 T 22:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose No clear need to do so, all relevant to the main biography rather than shoved away into a subarticle. Reywas92^Talk 04:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Like any presidential campaign resulting in a successful party nomination, this can be substantially expanded. BD2412 T 20:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support this can be expanded a lot, especially when it gets its own article QoopyQoopy (talk) 14:02, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

If you beleive it will be sufficiently expanded to justify an independent article, I say sure, we can split it off ultimately. Though, I feel we should wait, and revisit this once there is enough length to justify it. I feel you could start with a draft of a spun-off version, expand that, then ultimately publish it as an independent article once it is in sufficient shape. SecretName101 (talk) 02:06, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support per QoopyQoopy. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 17:58, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Smoker?

Was Bob Dole a smoker? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Erectile dysfunction ad

"After prostate surgery, Dole had erectile dysfunction and made public service announcements comparing himself to a war hero for speaking up about it."

The link to the YouTube video of the ED ad doesn't appear to support the assertion that Dole compared himself to a war hero. It seems like that statement should be removed unless a citation can be added that better supports it.75.102.136.135 (talk) 03:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Avoiding an edit war on the lede picture

The status quo ante (favored by Lord Stephenson)

The proposed replacement (favored by SomeBodyAnyBody05)

@Lord Stephenson and SomeBodyAnyBody05: Since y'all can't agree on who should start this discussion, guess I'll do it. SBAB05, why do you think the image should be changed to File:Ks 1996 dole.jpg? LS, why should it stay as File:Bob Dole, PCCWW photo portrait.JPG? -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 10:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)