Talk:Bnei Sakhnin F.C.

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What is the club name in the Arabic language? elpincha 14:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You can find the answer in the article - اتحاد أبناء سخنين - Something like Itchad Abne' Sakhnin. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 18:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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Bnei Sakhnin F.C. → Bnei Sakhnin — There is no mention of the FC suffix being appended to Bnei Sakhnin anywhere. Yonatan ^talk 00:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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Oppose

1. Strong oppose - the article was moved here because it is standard naming procedure for football clubs to have F.C. (or A.F.C) in their article title (see Category:Israeli football clubs, or for a ridiculously long list Category:English football clubs). Also, UEFA give the club's title as having FC in it - see here (though they have got the Hapoel bit wrong!). Number 57 01:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   There is no "standard naming procedure," club articles are named the same way as the clubs are - we don't just automatically add the F.C. suffix because they're a football club. Regarding your source, on one hand, you say that UEFA.com agrees with you and on the other hand you say it isn't a reliable source since it calls Bnei Sakhnin Hapoel. Please find a reliable source confirming the F.C. belongs in the name of the article - no Hebrew sources (which I'd consider more reliable than English ones on this subject) include מ.כ., the Hebrew-equivalent of F.C. in the name nor do they say Bnei Sakhnin Football Club. Yonatan ^talk 16:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   Is Ynet reliable enough? Number 57 17:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   First of all Bnei Sakhnin is Hapoel indeed. Second of all, the ynet report says nothing. You can say in a news report "The football club, X Y Z" even if it's not called X Y Z F.C. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 21:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   The arabic language fansite which is about the closest thing to an official website does not include Hapoel, just "Ihoud Bnei Sakhnin". Number 57 22:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   If you have ever seen a Sakhnin match, their fans keep saying "Hapoel ole", "Hapoel imperia", "Hapoel milchama", etc. It is also registered as Hapoel in the IFA records. I don't care what Sakhnini.com says. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 23:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   The IFA website calls them Ihoud Bnei Sakhnin and contains no reference to Hapoel Ihoud or just Hapoel Bnei Sakhnin. Also, it's quite possible that the chants are a remnant from the Hapoel era. Number 57 23:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   Have it your way. As I previously said I've already given up on the English project. You live in England but if you were here you would have known it's Hapoel. For example see [1], somebody asks them about the songs such as "Hapoel imperia", a Sakhnin fan says: "הפועל איחוד בני סכנין זה השם המלא לקבוצה". If you don't believe their fans, believe the Israeli justice authorities. See בש"א (עכו) 1137/05 - מ.מ. ש. מיעארי מסחר ושיווק בע"מ נ' עמותת הפועל איחוד בני סכנין. That is from the year 2005 if you can't understand it, nothing has changed since then. But I am not going to keep arguing. Have it your way. ⌠Yellow up⌡ 23:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

2. Oppose - in order to differentiate from possible other clubs from Sakhnin, like the basketball club and volleyball club. NYC2TLV 02:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

   Please bring a source that supports your statement that there is a basketball club and a volleyball club that go by the same name. Either way, the most notable one is the football club, you don't change the name of the football club because it doesn't suit Wikipedia although you can change it to Bnei Sakhnin (football) and either way there is only *one* article right now so you can worry about the other articles when they're created (in which case I still wouldn't support leaving this article at Bnei Sakhnin F.C.). Yonatan ^talk 16:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

3. Oppose - as the author of the original version of the article back in August 2004 (and how has this article grown since then!) I named it using the name used on UEFA's site (I created articles at that time for all teams participating in the Champions League or UEFA Cup who did not already have an article, and used UEFA's terminology as the basis of all the article names). I think we really must give UEFA and FIFA the last word in what a teams' name is, in international usage. -- Arwel (talk) 00:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Support

1. Support per nom, of course. I'd just like to remind everyone that this isn't a vote but that the discussion needs to be closed based on the arguments presented in it. Yonatan ^talk 22:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

See also a "bnei+sakhnin+F.C."+-wikipedia&btnG=Search google search for Bnei Sakhnin F.C. (1480 results) compared to one for "bnei+sakhnin"+-wikipedia+-FC&btnG=Search Bnei Sakhnin (without FC, 27,900 results). Yonatan ^talk 00:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Although NYC2TLV's disambiguation argument does not carry weight, the fact that UEFA does add "FC" to the club's name is the deciding factor. --Stemonitis 07:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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