Talk:Better Call Saul season 5

GA Review

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Reviewer: Heartfox (talk · contribs) 03:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Review forthcoming. Heartfox (talk) 03:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

• The ten-episode season was broadcast on Mondays at 9:00 pm (Eastern) in the United States on AMC; excluding the premiere episode which was broadcast on a Sunday. suggest reword to "The ten-episode season was broadcast on Mondays at 9:00 pm (Eastern), except for the premiere which aired on a Sunday." (AMC and United States are already in the previous sentence).

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:15, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• spin-off prequel MOS:SEAOFBLUE

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Breaking Bad created by Vince Gilligan suggest addition of "and" between "Breaking Bad" and "created"

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• , also taking place in 2004; four years in 2004, four years

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• in the wake of Chuck's death who is Chuck?

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• struggling with his killing whose killing? (I'm not sure who is being referred to)

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• ref 1 not needed in lead

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• the fifth season received universal acclaim from critics can some more detail be added to this sentence/what stood out to critics

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• could the "see also" link go below the cast and characters header as it relates to not only the main characters

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• liaison to Gus Fring; reprising her role from Breaking Bad.; restaurants; reprising his role from Breaking Bad. are there sources for the fact they reprised their roles?

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• Hector's nephews, Tuco's cousins, brutal Juarez cartel hitmen. this reads odd

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• I believe the poster's non-free image rationale should be completed
• link Sony Pictures Television

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

• Gould said they were still in the series co-creator Peter Gould said they were still in

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• AMC renewed Better Call Saul suggest linking AMC and Better Caul Saul as their both stated out of the lead for the first time

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• AMC confirmed that the fifth season would have ten episodes with the November 2019 announcement of the season premiere on February 23, 2020 with a special two-episode showing on consecutive days before returns to a normal weekly release schedule suggest rephrasing

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• prior to airing the fifth season, AMC also announced they had green-lighted Better Call Saul for a final, 13-episode season I don't see this as necessary

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• I think the writing quote could be paraphrased. It feels kind of lazy for an entire section to just be one quote idk
• is there any reason some cast has refs while others don't?
• and Gus Fring. and Gus Fring, respectively.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• ABQ Journal appears to be url-access=subscription

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• IBTtimes (ref 18) is considered generally unreliable per WP:RSPSOURCES

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Jimmy is hiding Jimmy hides

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• In the first scene of the season, Jimmy is hiding his real identity under his Gene Takavic alias while working at a Cinnabon in a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska. source?

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

• newscastic (ref 19) doesn't appear to be reliable

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• notes are all unsourced (I think av media will suffice)
• add author-link=Mitch Metcalf to refs

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• episode 5 summary should be cut by 7 words if possible

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 01:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

• In the United States, the season debuted with a two-night premiere, on Sunday, February 23, 2020, before returning to its regular time slot on Monday, February 24 rephrase to "In the United States, the season debuted with a two-night premiere on Sunday, February 23, 2020, and Monday, February 24, where it returned to its regular timeslot.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• ref 5 notes it premiered following the walking dead; that could be mentioned. the actual timeslot could also be stated, as it is in the lead.
• AMC had run "ran" or "aired"

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• link marathon (media)

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• would result in a worse show." quote inside period; not a full sentence given (MOS:LQ)

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Outside the U.S. in certain international markets, like previous seasons, season 5 was In certain international markets, like previous seasons, the fifth was

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• link YouTube

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• This series follows similar series It follows similar series

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• for the 72nd at the 72nd

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• by critics from television critics.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• the best reviewed Better Call Saul season on the site not in source

 Done Removed. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• the highest score of all seasons of the series not in source

 Done Removed. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• The final few episodes of the season were particularly highly regarded by critics only 1 critic is at the end of this sentence though
• per MOS:TVRECEPTION, "Reviews should be paraphrased as much as possible" (excluding Rotten Tomatoes summary)
• I'm not sure ref 45 indicates acclaim
• as Kim during the fifth season was as Kim were

@Heartfox: I think this was removed. I can't find it anywhere. The Optimistic One (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• was highly praised only 1 source is cited
• can you go through the reviews again? for an entire season the section is kind of small. there's 42 available on RT; probably some good ones not used in the article yet

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 14:11, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

• change "For the" to "At the"

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• Rhea Seehorn is nominated Rhea Seehorn was nominated

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• nominations– suggest changing to colon

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• it received 4 nominations, but more than 4 are listed?

 Done It received 4 for the Primetime Emmys, but further noms for the Creative Arts Emmys. I clarified this. Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• link deadline to Deadline Hollywood in ref 1

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• link vulture

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• vulture is url-access=limited

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• link l'officiel

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• link tvline

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• fandango not necessary to mention unless you want to add publishers for all other refs

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

• i would personally italicize cnn as it's the website being cited

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments above. Heartfox (talk) 04:28, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@The Optimistic One: Heartfox (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@The Optimistic One and Drovethrughosts: please let me know if you have any concerns with unanswered suggestions above. I'm flexible; just looking to close review soon. Thanks! Heartfox (talk) 03:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Optimistic One and Drovethrughosts: please address these suggestions within 7 days; comments below. Thanks, Heartfox (talk) 06:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

• the poster's non-free use rationale should be completed, not "n/a"

Heartfox: I don't know how to do this part. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

@The Optimistic One: you could look at other Good/Featured Articles and see. Heartfox (talk) 02:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Heartfox:  Done The Optimistic One (talk) 21:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

• Vince Gilligan is noted in the lead... but not in the actual article?

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 21:25, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

• Gould is referred to as co-showrunner in the lead but co-creator in the body. I'd stick to the latter.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 20:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

• please remove the block quote in the writing section and paraphrase/shorten it.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 01:56, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

• some of the review quotes could/should be paraphrased

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• similar acclaim how can it be described as acclaimed if there's only 1 ref relating to 1 reviewer

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• was highly praised only 1 source is cited

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 22:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• link the works in the footnotes in the notes section

Heartfox: Apart from this, which is something I don't exactly know how to do. I've done everything else a few days ago. Is it ready to be passed? Thanks! The Optimistic One (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

The Optimistic One, this is nothing against you or the article, but because I know nothing about the series and haven't watched anything related to it I'd like to seek a second opinion of someone more familiar with the contents who can possibly provide comments on that subject or the article as a whole. Thanks for your patience. Heartfox (talk) 07:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

No worries. The Optimistic One (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

@Heartfox: this second opinion request is asking for somebody to read through the article and check that all the summary of fictional content is accurate, right? My memory is imperfect but I have seen this season (and the rest of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad) so I can check that things are at least broadly true. Would anything further be required? — Bilorv (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Bilorv: do you mind checking it over? Heartfox (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Read through the lead, "Cast and characters" and "Episodes" and just have three comments:

• Nacho tells Mike Lalo wants Nacho to burn down one Gus’ restaurants should be Nacho tell Mike that Lalo wants Nacho to burn down one of Gus' restaurants.
• Mike tells Jimmy his post-traumatic stress will pass with time shouldn't use the phrase "post-traumatic stress" because I don't believe Mike does.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

• pro bono is sometimes italicized, sometimes not.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Other than this, the descriptions are all accurate to how I remember the characters and events. — Bilorv (talk) 10:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@The Optimistic One: can these changes be made? @Heartfox: is this the sort of second opinion you were looking for? Sorry for failing to give notifications, forgot about this one for a few days. — Bilorv (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: Yeah, sure. Just noticed this now. Thanks! The Optimistic One (talk) 21:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Alright, these have been addressed. @Heartfox: can this now be passed? — Bilorv (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv and The Optimistic One: the fair use rationale for the poster remains incomplete. Heartfox (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 01:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Darren Franich of Entertainment Weekly gave the first few episodes a positive review, saying "Better Call Saul, in the early going of its fifth and penultimate season, remains the picture of white-knuckled but real restraint." ... quote not in source? Heartfox (talk) 01:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed Quote was from this source. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 01:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Jen Chaney of Vulture said that the fifth season made viewing a more "nerve-wracking experience than usual, in the best, albeit still anxiety-provoking way. ... how/in what way? Heartfox (talk) 01:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 01:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

The final few episodes of the season were highlighted by some critics ... "some critics", but only one is cited?

 Fixed Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 01:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Rhea Seehorn's performance as Kim during the fifth season was given praise ... by who/if only from ref 53 than that should be said, avoid just saying "given praise". it theoretically could have been given negative reviews too. Heartfox (talk) 01:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Heartfox: The rest of your suggestions have been addressed. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 01:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

• while Libby Hill of IndieWire referred to her as the "unsung hero" of the series. — how can an article from May 2019 be used to describe her performance in the fifth season which was not released until 2020?
• Alan Sepinwall of Rolling Stones ... Rolling Stone
• is "to try to leverage all the contacts he has in the world of selling drop phones." He also posed a question about Saul's reputation "as not just a criminal lawyer but a criminal lawyer?" And also asked what would it mean "to him at this point?". — reread this sentence pls. MOS:LQ issues and "And" is capitalized? what are drop phones? (wikilink)
• said that the episode "Bagman" was the most "challenging" episode he has had to direct so far — how/in what way? the reader hasn't read the source

I realize that I was not as timely with comments as I should have been, but every time I come back to this article I feel like I find more stuff that's just a bit off. I just feel at this point that no one has re-read it in its entirety to find basic issues. I'm not going to fail the article as there are good parts, but I don't feel like continuing to act as the reviewer here so I'm going to have to withdraw, and preferably someone with more subject matter expertise can take it on. Sorry, Heartfox (talk) 07:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Better Call Saul (season 5)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 16:11, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 16:11, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Infobox looks good.

Nice to hear!

• Is there a reason why Bob Odenkirk is the only actor who has his character after his name in the first paragraph?

Sorted

• "Vince Gilligan, co-creator Peter Gould" → "Vince Gilligan; co-creator Peter Gould"

 Done

• Link "fourth" to Better Call Saul (season 4).

 Done

• Per consistency with the lead, add the names of the actors who portrayed Walter White and Jesse Pinkman in parentheses.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 00:34, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

• Link Saul Goodman.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Add (Odenkirk) to the first mention of his character.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Cast and characters

• "recently reinstated to the New Mexico bar association, now practices" → "an attorney recently reinstated to the New Mexico bar association who now practices"

 Done

• In the caption of the second image, add a comma before "and".

 Done

• "consultant, "fixer"" → "consultant and "fixer""

 Done

• Actually, a lot of descriptions are missing "and"s between each "profession". Add them.

 Done

• Link "third season" to Better Call Saul (season 3).

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 01:02, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

• In #Recurring, is there a reason why some characters have references and others don't?

Any characters that have references were added before the season began airing, because we needed to source for any upcoming appearances. Characters that don't are simply ones that were added to the list after the season began airing. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:50, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Some characters, such as "Drama Girl" and "Sound Guy", should be in lowercase per MOS:TVCAST and some rules in WP:FILMCAST.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 17:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Production

• "the series co-creator" → "series co-creator"

 Done

• Are the last two sentences in #Development all necessary since it's already in #Broadcast? Maybe just mention that "In November 2019, AMC confirmed that the fifth season would have ten episodes and would debut on February 23, 2020".

 Done

• Is #Writing just quotes? If no more information can be found, I would merge it with #Development.

 Done

• Is the "And also" a new sentence, or a part of the one before it? Sentences shouldn't start with and.

 Done

• Since Jimmy McGill is currently linked in #Writing, I would link the rest of the characters in #Casting.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 17:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

• Combine both paragraphs in #Development.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• "On what to expect in the fifth season, series co-creator Peter Gould" → "On what to expect in the fifth season, Gould"

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Due to the recent changes, the last sentence in #Development doesn't seem necessary so I would remove it.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Episodes

• Reword the sentence "Nacho reveals to Gus Lalo's plan for Domingo".

 Done

• Remove the commas after "unnerved by the offer" and "fought with".

 Done

• "DEA find the three dead" → "DEA finds the three dead"

 Done

• "Mesa Verde business" → "Mesa Verde's business"

 Done

• The description of episode 8 is 201 words, failing MOS:TVPLOT.

 Done

• "as decoy" → "as a decoy"

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:22, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Broadcast

• Link Breaking Bad.

 Done

• Link AMC Networks.

 Done The Optimistic One (talk) 18:24, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Ethics Training with Kim Wexler

• Link the phase "Outstanding Short Form Comedy or Drama Series" to Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Short Form Comedy or Drama Series.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Reception

• Update Rotten Tomaotes.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• "Collider" → "Collider"

Comment: Generally website names are italicized. Do you wan them un-italicized in prose but leave them as in the cite templates because they are automatically italicized in the reference templates. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

The references are ok since you're using "|website=", but since the Wiki-articles aren't in italics, I suggest that the websites are un-italicized in prose.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• "The Ringer" → "The Ringer"

See comment above. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Try reducing the use of quotes per WP:RECEPTION.
• "Alan Sepinwall of Rolling Stone described her as the "MVP of Better Call Saul". Brian Tallerico of Rolling Stone referred to Seehorn's work" → "Both from Rolling Stone, Alan Sepinwall described her as the "MVP of Better Call Saul", and Brian Tallerico referred to Seehorn's work"

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• The phrase "appeared to be "breaking bad" herself on her last scene" needs rewording.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Combine the last two paragraphs in #Critical_response together.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• The "total (18-49)" rating for "Namaste" should be 0.8, not 0.7.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• The "DVR (18-49)" rating for "Wexler v. Goodman" should be 0.5, not 0.6.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Accolades

• Since the award nominations table is getting a lot bigger, make #Accolades its own section.
• Add a hatnote to List of awards and nominations received by Better Call Saul.
• Per consistency with other tables, and other lists such as List of awards and nominations received by Better Call Saul, link the nominees every time they are mentioned.
• The references column should be centered.
• "Better Call Saul: Ethics Training with Kim Wexler" → "Employee Training: Legal Ethics With Kim Wexler"

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

References

• Archive all archivable sources (I recommend using this).
• Mark references from Rolling Stone with "|url-access=limited".

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Mark references from Forbes with "|url-access=limited".

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Make sure all references have their websites linked to their Wiki-articles.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:14, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Use the cite rt and cite mc templates when citing Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic.

 Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Overview

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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