Talk:Barbara Stanwyck on stage, screen, radio and television

Proposal to move page

Jimknut this list has now gone beyond "filmography", as it includes television. As I'm researching through her professional career, I find that she has also appeared on radio, at least with Jack Benny, and also on the Broadway stage. In fact, she was acting on stage before she ever acted in a movie. I suggest moving this list to something more appropriate. Looking at some of the Featured Lists, it seems it might work as:

Barbara Stanwyck on stage, screen, radio and television

Thoughts? — Maile (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

That's fine with me. Stanwyck is a major figure in the performing arts, so a full list of her credits is worthwhile, If you are planning to do it, great. Have at it! Jimknut (talk) 16:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sourcing available for actor biographies

American Film Institute

• AFI Search tool

"The American Film Institute was founded by a 1965 presidential mandate announced in the Rose Garden of the White House by Lyndon B. Johnson—to establish a national arts organization to preserve the legacy of American film heritage, educate the next generation of filmmakers, and honor the artists and their work. Two years later, in 1967, AFI was established, supported by the National Endowment for the Arts, the Motion Picture Association of America and the Ford Foundation."

Internet Broadway Database

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"Operated by the Research Department of The Broadway League, a trade association for the North American commercial theatre community." IBDB "is an online database of Broadway theatre productions and their personnel, including lengths of runs, lists of casts and creators, awards and nominations, and past box office grosses. Its research department maintains historical data on individual playhouses and productions. In addition, many reference documents, including weekly box office grosses and season-by-season statistics, are available to the public, journalists, and scholars via the website."

UCLA Film and Television Archive

• "UCLA Library Catalog Basic Search". cinema.library.ucla.edu.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Barbara Stanwyck (1950)

Barbara Stanwyck in Ball of Fire (1941)

• ... that actress Barbara Stanwyck (pictured) had been a teenage chorus girl in Texas Guinan's speakeasy nightclub? (source 1) "In Texas Guinan’s nightclubs, fifteen-year-old Ruby would shake for the sugar daddies and get bank notes stuffed in her scanties." (Stanwyck's birth name was Ruby Catherine Stevens) - Callahan p. 8 ; (source 2) customers were there to check out new talent, "like George Raft, fifteen year old Ruby Keeler, and singer Ruby Stevens, who later became famous as Barbara Stanwyck. - Corcoran, Michael (May 1988). "Texas Guinan". Texas Monthly. Emmis Communications: 112.

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• Comment: There are many images and possible hooks in this article. I'm open to suggestions. — Maile (talk) 15:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

5x expanded by Maile66 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC).

• 5× expansion of 2 November 2020‎ version completed from 566 characters to 3,771 and nominated on the same day. No copyvios detected and duplication detector check of main online sources[1][2][3][4][5][6] reveal no close paraphrasing issues (AGF some of the PDF refs which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Hook is 110 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 5 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source from Google Books. QPQ done. Image is free and in public domain. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

• Maile, if you're asking for opinions, I don't think this hook says much of anything, especially for an image slot. At least tell the younger generation who she is. If you're talking about her hard childhood, the Ziegfeld girl image would work better. Four Oscar nominations and no wins would make a better hook, or maybe there's more you could add to the article to develop something hookier? The Stella Dallas and Ball of Fire images are also better than this one IMO. Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• There's also the same problem with piping the link to the target article; right now it links to her bio. Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah it's linked to the target article. But maybe you are talking about it should be linked somewhere else in the sentence. Anyway, let's see if someone else comes up with a better hook. I'm open to that. Feel free to suggest. Now ... I'm the person who totally upgraded the Texas Guinan article a couple of years ago. This woman was a hoot - if it was illegal, she was into it, and flaunting it in the face of the authorities. The idea that a teenage Stanwyck was scantily dressed and dancing in that environment was fascinating to me. But maybe we need to see if someone else can come up with a hook here. — Maile (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Barbara Stanwyck as a Ziegfeld girl, c. 1924

• Maile you hardly have anything to work with in the article to come up with a better hook. I'm not sure how I could help fashion a hook with this scant information. Your present hook also gives no indication that she was scantily dressed. Here is the Ziegfeld girl image. Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah You're telling me this at the end of a day when I've tired myself out on another tedious task. Not my freshest hour of brain power here. I will say that I think the Ball of Fire image is the best image of her on Commons. I just couldn't come up with a hook for it. — Maile (talk) 23:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• Maile sorry about that. We can talk again later. I'll be back Saturday night. Yoninah (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that actress Barbara Stanwyck (pictured in Ball of Fire) was unsuccessfully nominated four times for an Academy Award, and finally awarded an honorary Oscar in 1982 for her contributions to the film industry? — Maile (talk) 19:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

• An idea for a Ball of Fire hook:

Barbara Stanwyck in Ball of Fire (1941)

• ALT2: ... that Barbara Stanwyck (pictured) received four Best Actress nominations without a win and was given an honorary Oscar in 1982 for her contributions to the film industry? Yoninah (talk) 19:46, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

• Maile, I would add "prolific actress" or something else to indicate that she was hard-working to the hook and article. Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that Barbara Stanwyck (pictured), a prolific actress of 1940s film noir, received four Best Actress nominations without a win and was given an honorary Oscar in 1982 for her contributions to the film industry? — Maile (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

• Maile thanks for adding "prolific" to the article. But the article doesn't mention film noir, and it doesn't have to. Here's a revised alt:
• ALT4: ... that prolific actress Barbara Stanwyck (pictured) received four Best Actress nominations without a win and was given an honorary Oscar in 1982 for her contributions to the film industry? Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

ALT 4 is fine with me. — Maile (talk) 00:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks. @Bloom6132:, could you review ALT4 and the new image please? Yoninah (talk) 00:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

• ALT4 is 186 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 12 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source (AGF since no preview is available). New image is free and in public domain. Good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:15, 15 November 2020 (UTC)