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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 1, 2007.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the history of the carom billiards disciplines, balkline and straight rail (balkline table pictured), features a veritable billiards evolutionary arms race, in which each new rule implemented was interdicted by a shot developed to counter it?
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Nice jobEdit

Wow, this is impressively thorough and well-referenced. Nice job. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you:-)--Fuhghettaboutit 23:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

GA candidate: adviceEdit

  • The introduction paragraphs have sentences that are too long I think. Because this is a pretty complicated topic for a newcomer (such as myself), it bombards the reader with too much information too quickly.
  • put a footnote reference after the punctuation, where possible
  • could you put more sub-headings into the article, to desribe what you are referring to? For example, headings like "chuck nurse," "controversy over nursing". It seems at times like you are doubling back on yourself, or talking about two different aspects of the game.
  • Perhaps you should consider giving namespaces to the extraordinary players of the past, such as Jacob Schaefer, Sr.
  • A diagram for the layout of the champions game would be very helpful
  • Perhaps mention what (if any) connection the balk line has to do with the balk line in the game of Snooker, or pool.

I hope this feedback has been helpful to you. I would appreciate it if you could help me in my GA candidate, Peter Canavan. The only feedback I have got is from bots. Thank you. --Macca7174 02:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Great feedback. One note: in snooker there is no balkline; it is a baulk line (which isn't a term generally applied at all to pool tables). However, I would be suprised if they aren't etymologically related.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
On a second note, all footnotes are placed after punctuation. Do you mean placing all footnotes at the end of the paragraph they appear in? The problem with that is certain sections use one source up to a point in the text, and the rest of the paragraph uses another source. The footnotes have been placed so that they show which source is used for which statements (and I believe each and every statement in this article is sourced).--Fuhghettaboutit 16:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Removing it from consideration for the moment. I see no way to split up the introducution explaining statements more fully without making it much longer which would not be in keeping with WP:LEAD (and not sure I agree it needs simplfying). In any event, I'm not going to get around to splitting the article into subheadings any time soon, etc.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Large numbers in games?Edit

How should games like 45.1 and 71.2 be interpreted? That is, how could lines be drawn 45 (or more) inches from the rails on a 10 ft x 5 ft table? Do the larger numbers refer to metric measurements? Molinari (talk) 03:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I love questions like this because it makes me clarify in ways I might not have thought of. See this diff in response, which I think will answer your question. And thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick update! Would it be possible to indicate which of the games are metric and which Imperial? I'm guessing it's metric from 28.2 on up, but I suppose it is possible that it's 28 inches. Molinari (talk) 15:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to do that but it's difficult because, even though I know the answer for most of them, I have to dig up a separate sources for each one unless I can find a single source which specifically talks about the metric verses imperial demarcation, and lists the games on each side (not likely given the scarcity of sources overall, and the fact that I've read extensively and never seen this expressly discussed).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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Split?Edit

So I tagged this for a split for two reasons. Firstly, these are two different games, at least as distinct as these two are from (one) cushion carom and three-cushion. And that's the other reason, that balkline is not necessarily more linked to straight rail than the cushion games, which were also developed to account for the nursing abilities that arose in straight rail. In other words, since straight rail is ancestor to them as well, and it is still played separately, it should be separated to stand on its own. oknazevad (talk) 01:31, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - yeah this one has been annoying for a while. Someone like Charles Faroux won several different world balkline championships, but our articles doesn't really go into much depth about the world title, nor other events or that much detail about the different disciplines of the event. I would have suggested following the German wiki, which usually has more info on this sort of article, but they just have a big article on Carrom. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 07:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
    • Ok, I went through with the split. I have a technical request for moving this article pending, as just moving this article instead of copy-and-paste seems like a better way to ensure continued attribution per the licensing requirements. oknazevad (talk) 20:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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