Talk:Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza

Format

This article might read better if reformatted into a list structure. EmilySarah99 (talk) 11:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Insufficient sourcing for "Motivation"

The article cited for the claim "Hamas has been accused by NATO, the UN, EU, US, and Israel of launching rockets and positioning military-related infrastructure in civilian facilities, such as schools, as a tactic" does not even mention NATO. The only entity explictly making this accusation in this particular article is Israel. Unless additional citations are added to substantiate those other entities, I would recommend reducing the list to "Israel and the United States." 2600:1700:8D70:1490:D9B1:4443:347A:CEA6 (talk) 01:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 August 2024

Change "Hamas has been accused by NATO, the UN, EU, US, and Israel of launching rockets and positioning military-related infrastructure in civilian facilities, such as schools, as a tactic.[6]" to "Hamas has been accused by NATO, EU, US, and Israel of launching rockets and positioning military-related infrastructure in civilian facilities, such as schools, as a tactic.[6][x][y]" with [x] linking to https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjPp6Xxod2HAxV4RDABHUdEBCUQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw078V9t3xWPW7EhHdTtOcv3 and [y] linking to https://apnews.com/article/european-union-condemn-hamas-human-shields-2c0d1c04cb38fc4acce37d8d624e1a3f&ved=2ahUKEwi0suDdoN2HAxVPQjABHWPVESIQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3z8aj8XULfCfnb7o8pG6Vk as a source of the claim that NATO and the EU have accused HAMAS of using civilian infrastructure. I could not find a source stating that the UN has also made this accusation and the source linked to [6] does not state that the UN has made this accusation. SilverTraver (talk) 07:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've added the source for the EU. The NATO source you provided isn't actually NATO, they're a "NATO-accredited international military organization" and are careful to point out they're not part of the NATO Command Structure, nor subordinate to any other NATO entity. As such the Centre does not therefore speak for NATO[1] – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Al-Awda School

@Vice regent: There isn’t a consensus in your sources that the strike was on the school, and so we shouldn’t be saying in Wikivoice that it was. Further, why did you restore the massacre terminology? BilledMammal (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I provided you with evidence here[2], which you never responded to. Isaac Rabinovitch (nableezy—Selfstudier) all seemed to agree this happened on a school (broadly defined). I can't find a single person in that discussion - even those that support you - explicitly say this did not happen at a school.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 10:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Addressed the massacre issues here[3]. Not sure if you realized or not, but what's in this article is an excerpt from the main the article.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 10:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I’ve restored it, sources are very clear this was an attack that struck the school or its grounds. nableezy - 10:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Rescue teams and women and children

I added: "Although Israel claims it is targeting Hamas, rescue teams digging through the rubble of destroyed schools reported that they have found most of the dead to be women and children."

The source was changed. It initially said "Rescuers in Gaza say most of the dead were women and children, but Israel insists it targeted Hamas" (google it). That aligns perfectly with what I wrote. The source now says, which still supports what I wrote: "The IDF said: "The schools were used by Hamas's al-Furqan Battalion as a hiding place for its terrorist operatives and as command centres used to plan and execute attacks against IDF troops and the state of Israel." Footage on social media purported to show bodies inside one of the schools as rescuers evacuated casualties, including children. Palestinian media said at least 30 people were killed in the strikes. Mahmoud Basal, a spokesman for the Palestinian Civil Defence, said most of the dead were women and children."

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 10:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Vice regent: Thanks for raising it. I don't think we should rely on the old version, since it's not clear if it was "corrected" or changed for other reasons. The updated source isn't that different, but seems like this should now be attributed to a spokesman for the Palestinian Civil Defence. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 17:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

This should be the 2023-2024 invasion

They've invaded the strip other times, 1956 and 1967. FourPi (talk) 10:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

See Talk:Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 31 May 2024 where this issue was already discussed. Selfstudier (talk) 10:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)