Talk:Athletic Ground (Scarborough)

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. History section required Pictures of stands, general ground view Keith D 20:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 20:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 23:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed move

I propose moving this article to Athletic Ground (Scarborough), which currently redirects here. Normal practice is to use traditional names, where one exists, rather than sponsored ones, e.g. Pride Park Stadium or Almondvale Stadium. The ground was known as the Athletic Ground for the majority of its existence. I think that what has happened here is that the McCain name was a particularly early example of a sponsored ground name, in the UK a least; and in an earlier Wikipedia age, the article was created under the then-current name, when consensus on these cases probably hadn't developed. Jellyman (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Given the lack of response, I am going to submit a formal move request on this basis. Jellyman (talk) 21:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Ground Pictures

Any chance someone could some upload pictures of the ground, when it was at its best?...for example vs Chelsea FA Cup tie 2004, 4th round, glorious day, a full house, national TV there etc? I understand the photographs of it falling to bits, given that it currently (October 2016) is being razed to the ground (for a Lidl), but it's ironic that just when the stadium was a neat complete little arena, the club slipped down the leagues & was liquidated! The new club Scarborough Athletic F.C. is moving to a new ground at Weaponness in 2017, it would be great to see some warm memories of the McCain (Athletic Ground) on here.

Requested move 20 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved. There is consensus to move here, and the rationale that "Athletic Ground" was used for the majority of the stadium's existence is a good one. However, just to be clear, it should be noted that the so-called "consensus" at WP:FOOTY does not trump WP:COMMONNAME and other article titling policies, and the fact that a name is a sponsorship title is never a valid reason to reject it on its own. See for example Emirates Stadium and Ricoh Arena.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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McCain Stadium → Athletic Ground (Scarborough) – Football consensus is to use traditional names, where one exists, rather than sponsored ones (e.g. City of Manchester Stadium or Almondvale Stadium). The ground was known as the Athletic Ground for the majority of its existence. I think that what has happened here is that the McCain name was a particularly early example of a sponsored ground name, in the UK a least; and in an earlier Wikipedia age, the article was created under the then-current name, when consensus on these cases probably hadn't developed. Jellyman (talk) 21:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

• Support per long-standing consensus re avoidance of sponsor names where possible. Number 57 09:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support move per precedent.  ONR  (talk)  12:02, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nom and above. Does this consensus apply to other sports, and is there a link to the consensus decision? Would be nice to reapply the original names to some American baseball stadium pages. Randy Kryn 12:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Comment: See WP:FOOTY discussion here, here and here. This, of course, applies only to football; I'm unaware if similar consensus exists elsewhere. Jellyman (talk) 12:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll read those later. Would be nice if it applied to American baseball, golfing events, etc. Recently a golf-related RM closed with Los Angeles Open being moved back to its original name. Randy Kryn 13:01, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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