Talk:Al-Mustansir I

Wrong redirection

This article should be about the Abbasid caliph Al-Mustansir, who was the Muslim caliph at Bagdad during the period 1226-1242 and had not much to do with Tunis. Note that this is before the termination of the Abbasid caliphate by the Mongols in 1258. There must be a distinctive and separete article about him in the English Wikipedia. There are such articles in other Wikipedias, an example being French Wikipedia "Al-Mustansir" article. So I am deleting the wrong redirection. I hope that some authoritative historian writes the appropriate article about "Al-Mustansir (caliph)".Noyder (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 17 May 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved both pages per discussion. (non-admin closure) Turnagra (talk) 07:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

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• Al-Mustansir (Baghdad) → Al-Mustansir I
• Al-Mustansir (Cairo) → Al-Mustansir II

– "Al-Mustansir (Cairo)" is ambiguous. The obvious solution is to title the two Abbasid caliphs with numerals, as is often done (e.g., in El-Hibri, The Abbasid Caliphate). The Nizari imams can be handled in hatnotes. Srnec (talk) 00:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• Comment - Just for clarification: Al-Mustansir (Cairo) is indeed ambiguous because there is another caliph named "al-Mustansir" who reigned from Cairo (al-Mustansir Billah). I did not find any instance of adding numerals after al-Mustansir's name in El-Hibri 2021, The Abbasid Caliphate. However, Encyclopaedia of Islam has al-Mustanṣir (I) and al-Mustanṣir (II). @Cplakidas: you also added parenthetical Roman numerals in the Al-Mustansir DAB page; did you adopt this usage from any other source? Perhaps it's better to move to Al-Mustansir (I) and Al-Mustansir (II)? ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 09:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

  In El-Hibri, it's in the family tree on p. xxvii. In his list of caliphs, he does not use the numerals. Srnec (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, you're right about El-Hibri using "al-Mustansir I" and "al-Mustansir II" on p. xxvii (Google Books link); this didn't register in a ctrl-f search of the pdf I have of this. To be clear, I support using the Roman numerals as proposed, I'm just not sure whether they should be put between parentheses or not. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 13:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

• @Apaugasma: I assume the Encyclopaedia of Islam has the numerals in parentheses because they generally follow the Arabic naming conventions, and because for the caliphs, numerals are not very frequent. In this case, however, it makes sense to use them. I support this proposal, especially since the Fatimid caliph is easily distinguishable. Constantine ✍ 16:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

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