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References from Japanese and Chinese Wikipedias edit
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%B5%A4%E3%81%A8%E3%82%93%E3%81%BC_(%E7%AB%A5%E8%AC%A1) https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%B4%85%E8%9C%BB%E8%9C%93_(%E7%AB%A5%E8%AC%A0)
I ask that someone translate and transfer the references from those articles. Ethanbas (talk) 04:40, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- If you use Google Chrome as your browser, it will immediately offer a somewhat decent English translation (right-click while on the page and select "Translate to English"). If you want something better than that, you will have to find Wikipedians who translate from those two languages, and this talk-page notification on a tiny, new and obscure article will not achieve that. Softlavender (talk) 04:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
English sources edit
I am posting some links below in case they may prove useful. Softlavender (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Japanese/Chinese links of interest edit
I am posting some links below in case they may prove useful. Softlavender (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Schumann edit
The statement about Schumann was added by Ethanbas without citation [6] (possibly as a bit of WP:OR), but I did manage to find confirmation of it on a forum [7] (hear the Schumann theme here at the first iteration followed by others [8]; and the song melody here: [9]), and at least one citation here: [10]. -- Softlavender (talk) 05:23, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Tonality and tempo edit
@Softlavender: Any trained musician will know the difference between ♩=60 and ♩=80, and I have reverted this edit of yours where you erroneously set the tempo to ♩=80. Your edit summary midi tempo overly slow (nearly half time); not usually even as an art song is it sung that slowly. I changed it to the most common tempo (I've listened to several dozen perfs -- choral, solo, art song); for WP listeners this time seems best
is entirely mistaken.
Also, the song is not both major and minor yonanuki, that's nonsense, and you are misunderstanding the source.
Please be more careful. Sam Sailor 21:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Sam Sailor, you are correct that the composer's instruction is ♩=60, however it is overwhelmingly sung at a much faster tempo (I've listened to dozens of recordings); and even in the Japanese wiki article the midi is at a rate of about ♩=90 or so. In my edit summary I misquoted the info on the yonanuki scale because Googlebooks would no longer let me see that page in Matsue [11] because I had opened it too many times on my browser, but I can now view it on another browser (the part I was misremembering says the scale was originally in F pentatonic major scale, and later changed to E♭ pentatonic major scale). I do not see any reliable citations that the song is in yonanuki chō-onkai; even if it is I personally feel that that addition is unnecessarily detailed, and therefore I believe that that part is better left out. I personally find it to be unnecessary clutter; too much detail is unnecessary and dilutes the main points and interrupts the flow of information. In addition, yonanuki chō-onkai is not defined anywhere, so the addition lacks clarity; it also makes the rest of the sentence incorrect, as the rest of the sentence refers to all types of yonanuki scales, not just that one. Softlavender (talk) 03:56, 26 April 2017 (UTC); edited 20:25, 26 April 2017 (UTC)