Talk:Abdullah Yusuf Azzam

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Hopiakuta 05:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

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Shaikh Azzam built a scholarly, ideological and practical paramilitary infrastructure for the globalization of Islamist movements that had previously focused on separate national, revolutionary and liberation struggles. Shaikh Azzam’s philosophical rationalization of global jihad and practical approach to recruitment and training of Muslim militants from around the world blossomed during the Afghan war against Soviet occupation and proved crucial to the subsequent development of the al-Qaida militant movement.

are too vague, speculative and lacking in sources IMHO, but we need more of an introdution than

Sheikh Abdullah Yusuf Azzam (1941 As-ba'ah Al-Hartiyeh, British Mandate of Palestine – 1989, Peshawar, Pakistan) (Arabic عبدالله عزام) was a highly respected Islamic scholar and theologian.

So I added one. --BoogaLouie 16:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work! Robert C Prenic 16:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Sheikh?

Was he a Sheikh? Can this be verified? What entitled someone to be given this title? Officially? 81.156.13.254 (talk) 13:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Read the article sheikh, the title isn't given officially by someone and there's no exact definition of what it means to be a sheikh. "...is a word or honorific term in the Arabic language that literally means "elder"." Yonatan ^talk 12:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Sunni or Shia?

I assume he was of the Sunni denomination since Al Qaeda is Sunni but it'd be a good idea to find out for sure and add this to the article. Yonatan ^talk 12:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Added. Palestinians are sunni, as are Muslim Brethern, so to say he's Sunni is redundant to Muslims and others innitiated to the subject ... but of course wikipedia is for everybody. --BoogaLouie (talk) 13:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Did Abdullah Azzam have well known aliases?

Guantanamo captive Ridah Bin Saleh Al Yazidi was held, in part, because he was suspected to have heard sermons from sheikhs who were believed to have counselled listeners to go to Afghanistan.

One of the Summary of Evidence memos prepared for his annual reviews mentioned him hearing a sheikh named Abdullah Azzan:

• The detainee decided to join the Jihad in Afghanistan in 1996. He was influenced in his decision by Sheikh Soubeihi, an Egyptian, who spoke at the Mosque in Milan and Sheikh Silman Al Ouda Abdullah Azzan [sic]. Once he made this decision, the detainee began saving money and intensifying his religious studies.
• Abudallah Azzan [sic] stated that individuals should follow Usama bin Laden by imitating his devotion to Islamic Jihad, both physically and financially.

About a dozen captives had their detention justified by hearing a Sheikh named some variation of "al awda" or "al odah". He was a Saudi or Yemeni who died in late 2001. Abdullah Azzam died about ten years earlier. Could US intelligence analysts mistake two guys who died ten years apart? Yup. Absolutely.

Several of al Qaida's inner circle are commonly called mumble al libi. The public record strongly suggests they failed to tell these guys apart. One was reported killed a few years ago. And the Bush administration bragged he was al Qaeda's number three. Then last summer Abu Laith Al Libi was reported to have been killed. And HE was reported to have been al Qaeda's number three. There was a quiet acknowledgement that the earlier al Libi had not been al Qaeda's number three after all.

Similarly, there are several guys suspected of playing lead roles in the GWOT called some variation of al masri. One of these guy had a page devoted to him on the US Government's "rewards for justice" site. This page had a picture. I went to this page the day this guy was reported to have been killed. I hadn't visited it before. On this first visit it took me less than a second to recognize the picture was of the much more notorious Al Masri who was formerly the Imam of the Finsbury Park Mosque in London -- prior to the explosion that blinded one of his eyes.

Then there is Khalid el-Masri and a couple of dozen similar cases...

So, how about it?

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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RfD for Global Jihad

I proposed to retarget from al-Qaeda to Global jihad (disambiguation). Discuss here.~Technophant (talk) 07:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

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Co-founder of Al-Qaeda

According to his biographer Thomas Hegghammer, the claim that Azzam was co-founder of Al-Qaeda is “almost certainly inaccurate”.

Hegghammer, Thomas (2020). The Caravan. Abdallah Azzam and the Rise of Global Jihad. Cambridge University Press. p. 354. ISBN 978-0-521-76595-4.

Abdallah Azzam has often been described as a “co-founder of al-Qaida”, but this is almost certainly inaccurate. In fact, there is no evidence to suggest that he was anything more than an observer during the emergence of the new group.

p. 355

Azzam is not described as an al-Qaida member in other relevant primary sources from this period, and he never mentioned the organization in his own writings or speeches. In short, Azzam was neither a co-founder nor a member of al-Qaida.

Jo1971 (talk) 14:15, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Another error in the article:

He was also a co-founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

His biography says also not true.

Hegghammer, Thomas (2020). The Caravan. Abdallah Azzam and the Rise of Global Jihad. Cambridge University Press. p. 203–204. ISBN 978-0-521-76595-4.

Small groups of Pakistani Ahl-e Hadith activists fought in Afghanistan from around 1984, but it was mainly after the founding of the Markaz al-Da‘wa wa’l-Irshad (MDI) in 1987 that substantial numbers– at least several hundred– joined the war. The main founder of the MDI, Hafiz Saeed, had got to know Abdallah Azzam in Islamabad in the early 1980s and had studied the Qur’an with him there. It is not clear how they met, but it probably helped that Saeed spoke Arabic and had taught at King Saud University in Riyadh in the late 1970s. When Hafiz Saeed founded the MDI, he appears to have involved Abdallah Azzam in some way. This has led Azzam to be presented in several works on Pakistani Islamism as a co-founder of the MDI. However, new research suggests that Azzam’s role was more peripheral; he was just one of between fifteen and twenty people involved, and he likely only had an advisory role. [...] In any case, Azzam had nothing to do with the MDI’s more famous armed wing, Lashkar-e Tayyiba, which only emerged in the early 1990s.

Way too much here is based on this thin article on PBS. I removed these false claims (as a non-native English speaker I usually refrain from making changes, so hope I did not introduce any language errors). --Jo1971 (talk) 08:50, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

The Institute for National Security Studies on Hamas and Azzam

The Institute for National Security Studies has a lot of information on Hamas and Azzam, which you can find here: https://www.inss.org.il/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/systemfiles/(FILE)1298359986.pdf. It seems fairly established that he did have an ideological influence on Hamas as well as funded them, and, so, I'm not sure that the article should read, "some scholars allege", as if it were a popular speculation. He was, however, criticized for abandoning Palestine. Daydreamdays2 (talk) 22:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)