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Military conflict infobox?Edit

Surely there's a more appropriate infobox template than {{Infobox military conflict}} for this? {{Infobox civil conflict}}, perhaps? If there's no objection I'll convert it over later today. ansh666 03:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Using the military conflict one isn't saying it's a military conflict, it's just got the parameters that work to show the info. Kingsif (talk) 04:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
But it absolutely doesn't. Maduro and Guaido aren't military commanders. The governments and organisations aren't "strength". Nothing fits. ansh666 04:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Does the civil conflict infobox have "similar" categories that mean information will actually show? If so, replacement is good. I haven't used that infobox before, so I went with the one I know will layout info appropriately, awkward titles or not. Kingsif (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
It does, in fact. I'm in the process of converting. Thanks, ansh666 05:07, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
I just did a quick swap of military->civil; commanders->leadfigures; strength->numbers. Looks alright. Kingsif (talk) 05:10, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
@Ansh666: whatever you did broke it. I reverted, but might incorporate the show/hide for Guaidó support. Kingsif (talk) 05:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I didn't see you'd already changed it. It's no problem to use yours. Thanks, ansh666 06:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Yours would've been fine if it hadn't restructured and hidden half the info, I don't think you formatted it quite right. If you can make one that perhaps just replaces "numbers" with "support", that'd be good. Kingsif (talk) 06:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Countries in infoboxEdit

Can we please have some more sources for these entries? I just removed Mexico as the source by it just said that Nicolás Maduro reached out to them for support. There is no indication that Mexico has agreed to support him or help out. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Re-removed Mexico. All the countries I added have sources, the rest were added in long series of edits by one user I think. Kingsif (talk) 04:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I have removed Norway and Iceland for the time being as I was unable to find any source for them in English, Norwegian or Icelandic. It might be best to just purge every country from the list that is mentioned without a source. --Painocus (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm fine with that, check the ones with sources though too to make sure the info matches up. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Can we please remove the EU from the infobox or list a source that actually states the EU has supported the National Assembly? The current source doesn't actually say it does. - Pax Psychosis (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Internal bodiesEdit

PDVSA and Electricidad de Caracas should not be listed since they are not included in the cited reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsaturno (talkcontribs) 10:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

What? They're both mentioned, PDVSA is even the header image of the article. Kingsif (talk) 14:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Supranational bodies and recognitionEdit

Reading the sources, I do not see explicit statements by the African Union, Arab League or OPEC supporting Maduro, only the Cuban state-run source name dropping organizations in attendance to his inauguration. Mexico attended the inauguration as well, but has remained neutral to the conflict in official statements. Should African Union, Arab League and OPEC be removed until we can find statements and better sources? Also, Mercosur needs a citation for it to be included in support for Guaidó as well.

Pinging users to help with this: @Irn: @MaoGo: @Panam2014: @Kingsif: @Jamez42:

Thanks in advance.----ZiaLater (talk) 11:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I think they should be removed, they likely come from the fact that there were some representatives from these organizations in Maduro's inauguration, something that he boasted about. Still, attendance does not mean support. --Jamez42 (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
As above, attendance doesn’t mean support. In fact, I think some Caribbean nations sent representatives to the inauguration but have since said they support Guaidó. Kingsif (talk) 12:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I think its removal is the best thing to do. We should only accept written statements or clear official speech of support. --MaoGo (talk) 13:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────   Done ----ZiaLater (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

"Following the death..."Edit

The beginning of Background reads "Following the death of former President Hugo Chávez, Venezuelans suffered a socioeconomic crisis under his successor..." but per our own Crisis in Venezuela page, the socioeconomic crisis began sometime in 2010, which is during the Chávez era and before his death. We have another 2013-present economic crisis in Venezuela page that specifies 2013, but that seems arbitrary and notes the declining indicators from 2012. (talk) 15:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Edited to correct Kingsif (talk) 15:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
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