Talk:Škoda 120

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The Skoda Garde was a rear-engined, rear-wheel drive car that was produced by Czech manufacturer Skoda Auto in Kvasiny, Czechoslovakia between 1981 and 1984.

Merger proposal

I propose that Škoda 130/135/136 be merged into Škoda 120 and renamed to Škoda 742/746 as on Czech wikipedia - Škoda 120 etc. are only engine variants, and there's no reason to have 13x models on different page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.99.140.238 (talk) 10:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree your proposal of merging the articles. At least the saloon models shall be merged (the coupé variants can have separate articles). Another option could be merging the A-series (1976–1983) into one article and the M-series (1983–1989) into another one.

The article name that you suggest is a bit problematic. In my knowledge the factory codes 742/746 were never used in marketing and they are unknown for the public. One possibility could be naming the article Škoda 105 because the number series starts from that. It would be logical because Škoda 100 is named the same way (it includes also Škoda 110). On the other hand, for example Mercedes-Benz articles are named with the factory codes (like Mercedes-Benz W123). Which way is better, I don't know. In case of using factory codes should also the other Škoda model articles be renamed? --Gwafton (talk) 10:35, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

A-series and M-series should be splitted, but still in one article, as 742-M is only facelift with minor technical differences

Problem of 742/6 series is that there are 6 different model numbers (105, 120, 125, 130, 135, 136) + aditional names on some markets (Estelle, Super Estelle in UK, 1005 for french market and maybe some more), which can be confusing, so in this case, using factory code is best way to simplify article name, altough it was never used in marketing. Also 742 is widely used between big number of Škoda fans. Other Škoda models have only one or two name variants(100/110, Favorit/Forman) on all markets, and only few people know their factory codes in these cases marketing name is better choice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.99.140.238 (talk) 16:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm just a simple everyday person who knows nothing about these Skodas. That's why I came to Wikipedia, to find out about them. I wanted to learn about the 130 - this being the model designation used by Skoda UK. How would it help me if the 130 article was merged into the 120? Or called 742/746? You experts may know all about this, but the joy of Wikipedia is that people like me can find out about things - and I found the current approach really helpful, so please don't change it.

Škoda 120 and 130 is one, same car, just with different engine and equipment. It's like dividing articles about VW Golf for every engine and every generation (btw - all rear-engined Škodas from 1000MB to Rapid 136 have more common, than any two generations of Golf) . How this could help? I know, that 742/746 renaming would be little confusing, as it was never used on market, but it's simpliest form of name - instead of "1055/105/120/125/130/135/136/Estelle/Super Estelle" - It's same case, as VW Type3, which was sold under various names, too. It's still possible to find article (or its part) by alternative name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.99.140.238 (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Škoda Garde

request to move this page to Škoda Garde

Front-wheel-drive was not banned

It is a common legend that jealous Soviets banned Czechs from using front wheel drive because their Lada's would have looked outdated next to them. This is not true. In fact, Soviet Union couraged its satellites to invest on product development. But the problem that the Czechoslovakian Aviation and Automotive Industry Administration (ČZAL) did not want to invest on the machinery the changeover would have required. It is just easy to blame communists about every problem in the former socialistic countries because no one defends them.

Also drive shaft technology was available in East Germany and AZNP had some development projects with IFA (Wartburg) for common models; Wartburgs would have got four stroke engines from AZNP and IFA would have produced transmissions for Škodas. But such didn't work in socialistic countries, each factory wanted to have all the production in their own hands and minimise the number of suppliers. The reason was that being dependent on suppliers was a big risk, logistics didn't work and delivery accuracies were bad and material shortages caused often disturbances in production. --Gwafton (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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"Handles like a Porsche 911"

I remember the UK Autocar review of the Rapid in 1988. Skoda were pushing the Rapid hard at the time, and expected a sympathetic review from Autocar because they placed a lot of advertising there. The 'handles like a Porsche' comment from the reviewing journalist was actually a joke - mid 80s 911s had a terrible reputation for wet weather handling, and there were many fatal accidents where yuppie drivers lost control on bends. Overall the review was superficially positive while actually being quite critical. --Ef80 (talk) 14:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC)