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September 2009 BallotEdit

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The result of the debate was that immediately, Jane Addams and 1968 Democratic National Convention become Top-importance articles for the project and Donald Rumsfeld is demoted to High-importance. As the project grows, I expect to promote the first 12 (History of Chicago, McDonald's, Saint Valentine's Day massacre, List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago, Navy Pier, Chicago Pile-1, Pullman Strike, Richard M. Daley, Northwestern University, and Architecture of Chicago round out the top 12) and maybe a few others depending on the rate of growth of the project. If the project grows very rapidly over the next year this list might include articles as far down the list as Playboy after which there seems to be a gap in the scoring. Both Dick Butkus and Red Grange received no votes for the third consecutive time and will be removed from the list of future candidates. I expect that the next ballot will occur sometime between September 2010 and January 2011.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Note By accident, History of Chicago was included in this list even though it had already been elected as top-importance in the previous elections.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Final scoring
Jane Addams 313
1968 Democratic National Convention 255
History of Chicago 254
McDonald's 241
Saint Valentine's Day massacre 198
List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago 182
Navy Pier 177
Chicago Pile-1 169
Pullman Strike 160
Richard M. Daley 149
Northwestern University 146
Architecture of Chicago 144
Chicago blues 133
Chicago school (architecture) 129
Milton Friedman 126
Sears, Roebuck and Company 121
Black Sox Scandal 117
Millennium Park 111
Shedd Aquarium 109
United Airlines 108
Playboy 101
Cyrus McCormick 83
Skidmore, Owings and Merrill 78
George Halas 70
Michelle Obama 59
John Hancock Center 53
The Jungle 48
Donald Rumsfeld 48
Walter Payton 46
Chicago Blackhawks 43
Leopold and Loeb 41
List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois 39
The Blues Brothers (film) 35
Chicago Water Tower 25
Museum Campus 20
Dick Butkus 0
Red Grange 0
William Wrigley Jr. 0
TonyTheTiger's list
  1. Chicago Pile-1
  2. List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
  3. Millennium Park
  4. Navy Pier
  5. List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois
  6. 1968 Democratic National Convention
  7. Chicago Water Tower
  8. Black Sox Scandal
  9. Pullman Strike
  10. Milton Friedman--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC) This is a start of my preliminary list. I don't think this portion of my list is final yet.
  11. Walter Payton--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  12. Donald Rumsfeld--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Shsilver's list
  1. George Halas
  2. United Airlines
  3. McDonald's
  4. Cyrus McCormick
  5. Skidmore, Owings and Merrill
  6. History of Chicago
  7. Chicago school (architecture)
  8. Architecture of Chicago
  9. Chicago Water Tower
  10. Chicago blues
  11. Pullman Strike
  12. Richard M. DaleyShsilver (talk) 14:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
HughD's list
  1. Jane Addams
  2. Richard M. Daley
  3. Northwestern University
  4. Pullman Strike
  5. Skidmore, Owings and Merrill
  6. History of Chicago
  7. List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
  8. Chicago school (architecture)
  9. Architecture of Chicago
  10. Chicago blues
  11. Sears, Roebuck and Company
  12. 1968 Democratic National Convention -- Hugh (talk) 15:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Zagalejo's list
  1. History of Chicago
  2. St. Valentine's Day Massacre
  3. McDonald's
  4. Jane Addams
  5. 1968 Democratic National Convention
  6. Richard M. Daley
  7. Northwestern University
  8. Sears, Roebuck and Company
  9. Shedd Aquarium
  10. Navy Pier
  11. Architecture of Chicago
  12. Chicago Blackhawks -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagalejo (talkcontribs) 18:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Pknkly's list
  1. Jane Addams
  2. Milton Friedman
  3. Richard M. Daley
  4. History of Chicago
  5. Pullman Strike
  6. 1968 Democratic National Convention
  7. Chicago blues
  8. Architecture of Chicago
  9. List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
  10. Navy Pier
  11. Millennium Park
  12. Museum Campus -- Pknkly (talk) 03:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Tom Harrison's list
  1. History of Chicago
  2. Navy Pier
  3. Jane Addams
  4. 1968 Democratic National Convention
  5. Saint Valentine's Day massacre
  6. Chicago Pile-1
  7. Millennium Park
  8. Black Sox Scandal
  9. Northwestern University
  10. National Register of Historic Places listings in Chicago
  11. Leopold and Loeb
  12. Shedd Aquarium -- Tom Harrison Talk 12:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
VirtualSteve's list (and rationale)

Folks - I am not a Chicagoan (I am an Australian) but I have been a member of the Chicago project for some years. I am fond of the project, assist sometimes as an administrator for its benefit, and have a couple of Chicago GA articles to my credit - and I remain a part of the project because it is well run (specifically by Tony over many years) and it tends to take a strong, almost scientific aspect to its pursuits. To my mind this is conducive to the overall aspect that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia.

With that in mind I offer my votes - including my first 12 votes but also I have numbered (using a scientific method) all of the prospective articles. As you will know by now I have also gone to each of the above voters to draw attention to this rationale so as to render my thoughts open to further consideration.

Rationale The very first aspects required to reach "Top Importance" in this project is that the article in question must have High probability that non-Chicagoans would look this up. Subject is a must-have for a print encyclopedia. Must have had a large impact on non-Chicagoans, across several generations, and in the majority of the world in a role as a person associated with Chicagoland or as a Chicagoland institution.[1]
Towards that goal Wikipedia offers a tool that clearly demonstrates the interest (in terms of being looked up) that any article - including all articles detailed above - has to all readers of Wikipedia. In relation to the above complete list of potential Chicagoan articles then it can be determined that in total, over the month of August 2009 (last month) the combined look-ups/visits to each of these articles equals 1,067,162 times.
Below I have provided the exact look-ups/visits for each of the 38 articles named just for last month alone to the right of each article. In my view the numbers of hits per article is an extra-ordinary good reference at the very least for the first 8 articles, because it gives a clear indication what the world thinks are the "top importance" articles within this group. Indeed the article Playboy was the 278th most viewed article, of the over 3,000,000 articles on Wikipedia, for last month alone.
I will conclude by saying that this is just my outside view of the situation. I am only one member of the Chicago project but it seems to me that as members it is all of our responsibility to look at what the whole world of wikipedia readers is viewing if we are to get the most accurate account of what others think are top important articles. If you do not agree that will be okay with me. With my best wishes to all.
  1. Playboy 244501
  2. McDonald's 139153
  3. Michelle Obama 118519
  4. United Airlines 64601
  5. Milton Friedman 62840
  6. The Blues Brothers (film) 52605
  7. Northwestern University 39146
  8. Donald Rumsfeld 38835
  9. Walter Payton 29767
  10. The Jungle 28737
  11. Black Sox Scandal 22263
  12. Leopold and Loeb 22160
  13. John Hancock Center 21059
  14. Saint Valentine's Day massacre 18966
  15. Dick Butkus 16927
  16. Chicago Blackhawks 16536
  17. Jane Addams 14744
  18. 1968 Democratic National Convention 13396
  19. Richard M. Daley 13334
  20. Millennium Park 10093
  21. Navy Pier 7517
  22. George Halas 7127
  23. Skidmore, Owings and Merrill 7032
  24. Sears, Roebuck and Company 6931
  25. Chicago blues 6641
  26. Chicago Water Tower 6116
  27. Pullman Strike 6097
  28. Red Grange 4984
  29. History of Chicago 4944
  30. Shedd Aquarium 4712
  31. Architecture of Chicago 4130
  32. Cyrus McCormick 3810
  33. Chicago school (architecture) 2962
  34. Chicago Pile-1 2925
  35. William Wrigley Jr. 2656
  36. List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago 194
  37. Museum Campus 152
  38. List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois 50

--VirtualSteve need admin support? 04:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

    • I would have preferred just your simple list of 12, but accept your rationale and will include the top 12 above as your contribution to the collective determination.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
    • The page view stats are interesting. Thanks for compiling all that. Do keep in mind that interest does not necessarily equal importance. I'll bet that the high interest in the Playboy article is mainly prurient. But you're entitled to your own methods. Zagalejo^^^ 04:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
In relation to Playboy I can agree with your thoughts Zagalejo but our top importance criteria asks for a high probability that non-Chicagoans would look this up and that is exactly what this list shows because it shows how often exactly that articles have been looked up. In terms of Playboy - I see your point of course, but can the same be said for Michelle Obama, United Airlines etc. I would say not.--VirtualSteve need admin support?
MrSilva's List
  1. Jane Addams
  2. Chicago Pile-1
  3. McDonald's
  4. Sears, Roebuck and Company
  5. Cyrus McCormick
  6. Chicago blues
  7. Playboy
  8. John Hancock Center
  9. The Jungle
  10. Navy Pier
  11. Architecture of Chicago
  12. Black Sox Scandal

My primary rationale is this year's History Fair theme, "Innovation in History". I think these are some topics students will be using soon. MrSilva (talk) 14:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

DS1953's list
  1. Chicago school (architecture)
  2. Saint Valentine's Day massacre
  3. 1968 Democratic National Convention
  4. Chicago blues
  5. List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
  6. Richard M. Daley
  7. Pullman Strike
  8. Sears, Roebuck and Company
  9. John Hancock Center
  10. Chicago Blackhawks
  11. Architecture of Chicago
  12. Black Sox Scandal

-- DS1953 talk 22:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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June 2008 BallotEdit

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The result of the debate was The following are Promoted to Top-Importance Immediately: List of Chicago Landmarks, Chicago Loop, Union Stock Yards. History of Chicago & World's Columbian Exposition. The following will be promoted as the number of articles in the project grows (in order): Grant Park (Chicago), Magnificent Mile, Haymarket Riot, Daniel Burnham, Chicago River, Lake Shore Drive, Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago), Chicago Tribune. The following will be considered for promotion or we may call for another vote or we may discontinue promoting altogether: Soldier Field, Sears, Roebuck and Company, Chicago school (architecture), William Wrigley Jr.. The following received votes, but not enough to support promotion to Top-importance: Cyrus McCormick, Museum Campus, John Hancock Center, Walter Payton.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

We currently need five more top priority articles and since there has been lack of activity at the pages related to this issue I am listing the five I would promote now and the next five I would promote. If there is no feedback I will promote the first five I have chosen at the conclusion of this request for feedback. If you want to have input to the process I will count your votes as well and total things before making my selection. You can select up to ten articles. There is an archive of past votes here.

  1. List of Chicago Landmarks
  2. Union Stock Yards
  3. Grant Park (Chicago)
  4. Daniel Burnham
  5. Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago)
  6. Chicago Loop
  7. Haymarket Riot
  8. Soldier Field
  9. Magnificent Mile
  10. Walter Payton--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Here are my votes, in order:

  1. List of Chicago Landmarks
  2. Chicago Loop
  3. Magnificent Mile
  4. Grant Park (Chicago)
  5. Soldier Field
  6. Chicago River
  7. Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago)
  8. World's Columbian Exposition
  9. Walter Payton
  10. Haymarket Riot -Torsodog (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

My preferences:

  1. List of Chicago Landmarks
  2. History of Chicago
  3. Union Stock Yards
  4. Cyrus McCormick
  5. Sears, Roebuck and Company
  6. Chicago Tribune
  7. William Wrigley Jr.
  8. Haymarket Riot
  9. World's Columbian Exposition
  10. Chicago Loop

Tom Harrison Talk 19:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Another set of votes:

  1. List of Chicago Landmarks
  2. History of Chicago
  3. Chicago Loop
  4. World's Columbian Exposition
  5. Union Stock Yards
  6. Chicago Tribune
  7. William Wrigley Jr.
  8. Chicago school (architecture)
  9. Magnificent Mile
  10. Grant Park (Chicago)

Cnadolski (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts:

  1. History of Chicago
  2. Union Stock Yards
  3. World's Columbian Exposition
  4. Chicago Loop
  5. Chicago River
  6. Haymarket Riot
  7. Daniel Burnham
  8. John Hancock Center
  9. Lake Shore Drive
  10. Magnificent Mile

Zagalejo^^^ 02:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts:

  1. Chicago Loop
  2. World's Columbian Exposition
  3. Lake Shore Drive
  4. Magnificent Mile
  5. Chicago school (architecture)
  6. Grant Park (Chicago)
  7. Museum Campus
  8. Sears, Roebuck and Company
  9. List of Chicago Landmarks
  10. Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago)

Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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September 2007 BallotEdit

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED Immediately: O'Hare International Airport, Field Museum of Natural History, Richard J. Daley. Chicago 'L' & Frank Lloyd Wright will be promoted after WP:CHICAGO article totals of 12000 and 12500 are reached respectively.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Over the next week or two we are accepting votes for articles to be promoted to Category:Top-importance Chicago articles from the list above. There is no set date that voting will end, but it will certainly extend past the date of the Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 2 so attendees can vote. Voting will conclude at the end of the day on September 4, 2007. Please keep the Priority_scale above in mind when voting. Since we will probably be promoting 4 articles list your 4 choices in order below (place newest comments at the top) We will total votes with 5 pts for 1st, 3 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd and 1 for 4th:

Due to the good turn out the top 5 from this vote will eventually be promoted. The first 3 places will be promoted immediately. The 4th will be promoted after we pass 12000 articles and the 5th after we pass 12500 articles. When we get to around 14000 we will consider promoting another 5.

  1. . Chicago Loop
  2. . Chicago 'L'
  3. . O'Hare International Airport

Jeremy (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . Frank Lloyd Wright
  2. . Field Museum of Natural History
  3. . O'Hare International Airport
  4. . Chicago Tribune

Cnadolski 17:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Field Museum --Ancheta Wis 03:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . O'Hare International Airport
  2. . Chicago Loop
  3. . Soldier Field
  4. . Magnificent Mile

KyuuA4 00:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . Chicago 'L'
  2. . O'Hare International Airport
  3. . Chicago Tribune
  4. . World's Columbian Exposition

Tom Harrison Talk 20:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . O'Hare International Airport
  2. . Field Museum of Natural History
  3. . Soldier Field
  4. . Richard J. Daley

Kranar drogin 01:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . Richard J. Daley
  2. . Field Museum of Natural History
  3. . Frank Lloyd Wright
  4. . World's Columbian Exposition

Speciate 00:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . Frank Lloyd Wright
  2. . O'Hare International Airport
  3. . Walter Payton
  4. . undecided Chicago 'L'--00:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . O'Hare International Airport
  2. . Richard J. Daley
  3. . Chicago 'L'
  4. . Field Museum of Natural History

Zagalejo 19:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. . Richard J. Daley
  2. . O'Hare International Airport
  3. . Chicago 'L'
  4. . Cyrus McCormick

Shsilver 17:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Final standings

  1. . O'Hare International Airport (28)
  2. . Field Museum of Natural History (15)
  3. . Richard J. Daley (14)
  4. . Chicago 'L' (13)
  5. . Frank Lloyd Wright (12)
  6. . Chicago Loop (8)
  7. . Soldier Field (4)
  8. . Walter Payton (2)
  9. . Chicago Tribune (3)
  10. . World's Columbian Exposition (2)
  11. . Magnificent Mile (1)
  12. . Cyrus McCormick (1)
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June 2007 BallotEdit

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED: Aaron Montgomery Ward, George Pullman and Harold Washington TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Now that there are 9000+, I would like to see Harold Washington promoted to Top. Also, please consider former mayor Richard J. Daley, as his policies and actions shaped the city in innumerable ways. In fact, I'd rather see Daley made Top than Washington, but he's not even on the list. Speciate 02:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I am personally inclined to pick Aaron Montgomery Ward and Frank Lloyd Wright. Ward's importance became apparent to me while researching the Historic Michigan Boulevard District. Wright's importance needs little explanation. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

As a non-Chicagoan and given the parameters of top importance classification, I have the view that top-importance articles should showcase Wiki-Chicago and this will only occur if we mark them as top importance and they are written well. In terms of articles related to Chicago then I would say this usually occurs by a reverse discovery. What I mean by this is that most readers (other than for very obvious articles like Al Capone, Great Chicago Fire, Chicago Tribune, Chicago Blackhawks etc) will choose an item of interest and accidently find out that the content has a strong link to Chicago. So Frank Lloyd Wright; George Pullman; Sears, Roebuck and Company; Muhammad Ali; & Donald Rumsfeld are the type of articles I would choose for top. Given I only get a choice of two - I pick George Pullman & Sears, Roebuck and Company at this time.--VS talk 23:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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May 2007 BallotEdit

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The result of the debate was PROMOTED: Al Capone, Great Chicago Fire TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 04:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Muhammad Ali lived/lives on the south side of Chicago (for decades, I think). Since he was/is "the most famous man in the world" [2], and since the current article does not mention much about his Chicago connection, he should join Michael Jordan in Top. Speciate 00:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

My suggestion the MA be Top was predicated on the idea that his Chicago connection is being given short shrift. If that can be corrected, then there is no need. But, I'm afraid I don't know much about where he lived, especially if it has to be citable. Speciate 22:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe the Great Chicago Fire and Al Capone should be (Top). When people from foreign countries talk about Chicago, they make "bang bang" noises in reference to Capone, and the fire is one of the stars in the Chicago Flag, and remade the city. Speciate 23:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

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