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Another criterion is to maintain some variety of topics, and not exhibit, just for example, tech-centrism, or the belief that the world stops at the edge of the English-speaking world. Many days have a large pool of potential articles, so they will rotate in and out every year to give each one some Main Page exposure. In addition, an event is not posted if it is also the subject of this year's scheduled featured article or featured picture.

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Non-Gregorian-based holidays/observances are marked with the current year as a reminder to others that their dates do in fact vary from year to year.
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2012 notes edit

Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

Omitted: Timur's invasions of Georgia; Port Arthur massacre (China); Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes/Brazilian battleship São Paulo/Brazilian cruiser Bahia/Revolt of the Lash; God Defend New Zealand (ineligible—POTD for 2012)
Included: Lwów pogrom (1918) (first appearance); Canoe River train crash (first appearance); Birmingham pub bombings (3rd appearance, last in 2010); Who Done It (Dallas) (first appearance); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 11:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Addendum: Lwów pogrom (1918) no longer eligible; replaced with Port Arthur massacre (China) (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total). —howcheng {chat} 17:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

2013 notes edit

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Omitted: Port Arthur massacre (China); Canoe River train crash; Birmingham pub bombings; Who Done It (Dallas); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion
Included: Timur's invasions of Georgia (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Lwów pogrom (1918) (first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Sino-Indian War (2nd appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible); Humberto Vidal explosion (first appearance); Pierre Amine Gemayel (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 06:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

2014 notes edit

Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Deleted: Revolt of the Lash (moved to November 22); Who Done It (Dallas) (A House Divided appears on March 21 and "Who Shot JR" is not so important that it deserves two different blurbs)
Omitted: Sino-Indian War; Humberto Vidal explosion; Pierre Amine Gemayel
Included: Armed Forces Day (Bangladesh) (rescued from Ineligible); Port Arthur massacre (China) (4th appearance, last in 2012); Verrazano–Narrows Bridge (3rd appearance, last in 2010; 50th anniversary); Birmingham pub bombings (4th appearance, last in 2012)
Repeats: Timur's invasions of Georgia (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total); Lwów pogrom (1918) (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

2015 notes edit

Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Omitted: Lwów pogrom (1918); Verrazano–Narrows Bridge; Birmingham pub bombings
Included: Bloody Sunday (1920) (7th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); God Defend New Zealand (7th appearance, last in 2011); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion (2nd appearance, last in 2012)
Repeats: Timur's invasions of Georgia (3rd consecutive appearance, 4 total); Port Arthur massacre (China) (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 12:10, 19 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Friendly suggestion for next year:

2013 – Massive protests started across Ukraine after President Viktor Yanukovych suspended singing the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:18, 20 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

2016 notes edit

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Verrazano–Narrows Bridge (maintenance)
Omitted: Bloody Sunday (1920); God Defend New Zealand; 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion
Included: Canoe River train crash (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Humberto Vidal explosion; (2nd appearance, last in 2013; 20th anniversary) Pierre Amine Gemayel (2nd appearance, last in 2013; 10th anniversary)
Repeats: Timur's invasions of Georgia (4th consecutive appearance, 5 total); Port Arthur massacre (China) (3rd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 03:21, 21 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

2017 notes edit

Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Bloody Sunday (1920) (maintenance); Sino-Indian War (maintenance)
New articles (ineligible): Euromaidan (maintenance)
Omitted: Canoe River train crash; Humberto Vidal explosion; Pierre Amine Gemayel (ineligible—maintenance)
Included: Armed Forces Day (Bangladesh) (rescued from Ineligible); HMHS Britannic (first appearance); God Defend New Zealand (8th appearance, last in 2015; 40th anniversary); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Columbanus (first appearance); James Hogg (first appearance); Annie (singer) (first appearance)
Repeats: Timur's invasions of Georgia (5th consecutive appearance, 6 total); Port Arthur massacre (China) (4th consecutive appearance, 7 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

2018 notes edit

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge
Omitted: Timur's invasions of Georgia; HMHS Britannic (deleted—moved to February 26); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion; Columbanus; James Hogg; Annie (singer)
Included: Lwów pogrom (1918) (3rd appearance, last in 2014; 100th anniversary); Rebecca Latimer Felton (first appearance); 2012 Tel Aviv bus bombing (first appearance); Anne de Xainctonge (first appearance); Alexander Berkman (first appearance); Leopold Berchtold (first appearance)
Repeats: Port Arthur massacre (China) (5th consecutive appearance, 8 total); God Defend New Zealand (2nd consecutive appearance, 9 total)

—howcheng {chat} 23:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)Reply

2019 notes edit

Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Humberto Vidal explosion (maintenance)
Omitted: Lwów pogrom (1918); Rebecca Latimer Felton; God Defend New Zealand; 2012 Tel Aviv bus bombing; Anne de Xainctonge; Alexander Berkman; Leopold Berchtold
Included: Timur's invasions of Georgia (7th appearance, last in 2017); Canoe River train crash (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge (4th appearance, last in 2014); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion (4th appearance, last in 2017); Henry Purcell (first appearance); Hetty Green (first appearance); Victor Chang (first appearance)
Repeats: Port Arthur massacre (China) (6th consecutive appearance, 9 total; 125th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 17:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

2020 notes edit

Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Moved to Ineligible: Lwów pogrom (1918) (maintenance)
New articles (unused): Bernardo Pasquini; Joe Darling
Omitted: Port Arthur massacre (China); Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge; 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion; Hetty Green; Victor Chang
Included: Bloody Sunday (1920) (8th appearance, last in 2015; 100th anniversary; rescued from Ineligible); Operation Ivory Coast (first appearance; 50th anniversary); 2015 Brussels lockdown (first appearance); Alexander Berkman (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 150th birthday); Stan Musial (first appearance; 100th birthday)
Repeats: Timur's invasions of Georgia (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total); Canoe River train crash (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total; 70th anniversary); Henry Purcell (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 325th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 23:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

2021 notes edit

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

New articles (ineligible): Bernardo Pasquini (maintenance)
Omitted: Bloody Sunday (1920); Canoe River train crash; Operation Ivory Coast; 2015 Brussels lockdown; Henry Purcell; Alexander Berkman; Stan Musial
Included: Port Arthur massacre (China) (10th appearance, last in 2019); Alan Freed (first appearance); Birmingham pub bombings (5th appearance, last in 2014); 2009 Heilongjiang mine explosion; Columbanus (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Joe Darling (first appearance); Michael Strahan (first appearance)
Repeats: Timur's invasions of Georgia (3rd consecutive appearance, 9 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

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