Wikipedia talk:Huggle/Feedback/Archive 4

Meta user list

Resolved

I was just curious and I saw this diff. [1]. This could eb a bug in updating the list on meta although I added my name without it removing others. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It isn't a bug. The page was deleted and undeleted. Al Tally ^talk 17:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

“Accounts must be at least 7 days old to use Huggle”

I just tried to start huggle —as I did many many times before—, but this time I got a warning

“Accounts must be at least 7 days old to use Huggle”.

Does anyone know how to solve this problem? Thanks in advance. :) —αἰτίας •discussion• 19:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Now it does work again... strange. —αἰτίας •discussion• 19:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

This is what caused it and this is what fixed it. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

.NET Framework Error at Huggle Close

Hey, I'm running Vista Business. Every time I close Huggle, I get the following error:

(snipped error message)

Phew....So, any ideas? (Sorry for the length, but it's an exact quote.) Thanks in advance. —Signed by KoЯnfan71 ^{My Talk} _{Sign Here!} 00:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a little bug. I'm sure it'll be fixed when/if Gurch comes back and sees this. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks. One other thing. I have it set so that nothing is a minor change, but all reverts show up as minor, the default. Is this a bug or what? 65.189.241.196 (talk) 01:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC) (This is Kornfan71's current IP....too lazy to log in; any reply can be put on Kornfan71's talk page.)

Probably. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed in 0.7.11 ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Huggle gets stuck

Hello all. I have a reoccurring problem: After using huggle for a while I find a page with vandalism, click "revert and warn", the button goes grey, a note in red appears the history section - "Reverting edit to..." and then ... nothing happens. The diff doesn't update, the line in the history section disappears and it is as if I never clicked the button. When I check my contribs I find that the page has been reverted although no warning issued. Huggle still resolutely shows me the unreverted diff as the most recent revision. Once this problem starts happening it continues for every edit I do. None of them appear in the history section either. The only way around it is to close Huggle and restart it. However, the problem re-surfaces within 10 minutes of the restart. It's rather annoying! Avnjay^Talk 21:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Huggle will not warn is the user has received a warn in the last 10 seconds, if the user has not edited since their last warning. If neither of these is the case then which version are you using? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Huggle Policy

I've a fealing we have to change the huggle rules in my opinion a huggle user can do around 50-100 edits a day know lets say 5% of his/her edits were mistakes. That would be 5 mistakes in one day. Know lets imagine that user uses huggle twice to three days a weak. By that time someone would have removed his Huggle/rollback rights.

p.s please move this to another article if I posted this at the wrong article.Alexnia (talk) 09:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AN#Heads_up_re_Huggle

... Enigma ^message 18:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I think restricted established editors from editing the config page is a bit extreme, why not semi protect it instead? There's more chance of a new user or an IP from vandalising than an auto-confirmed member. We've never had problems before with the page being vandalised. ——Ryan | t • c 18:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

People I think some restraint should be shown before trying to fool around with the config page while Gurch is gone. The program is pretty strong and capable as it is. I do not see the need to act upon Feedback requests at this moment.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 19:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's was reverted back to semi-protection, so what's the problem? The config page normally doesn't need to be changed unless an admin wants to disable it, or tweak a huggle system message anyhow, attempting to change account requirements is extremely buggy and won't work, as seen above. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Config page

As huggle has been reactivated, I think the config page should be returned to a semi again. ——Ryan | t • c 09:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree so I can carry on fixing stuff :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 10:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

A possible solution to Huggle Wars

When the article shown on the Huggle user's screen is edited, Huggle automatically updates the screen. If that happens just one microsecond before the user clicks "Revert" or "Revert and warn" (giving that user no time to react), that's when Huggle Wars occur. Now I've been on both sides of the issue, as both mistakenly warning and being mistakenly warned by other Huggle users. I believe that Huggle screens should be updated only manually (unless the article is edited by the same user whose edit is being shown). In my mind, that would solve about 95% of the Huggle Wars problem. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 17:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Could maybe have this as an option in the new version. Ill check it out. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Another possible idea - can you download the contents of Category:Wikipedians_who_use_Huggle on startup, and then if the previous edit was made by one of the users, pop up an 'Are you sure?' box before reverting/warning? Great app, BTW, I love it! Tim (talk) 00:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

IMO, users that are so new they haven't been whitelisted shouldn't even be getting rollback... I think this problem is better solved on the rollback side than by bogging down Huggle (there's already a confirmation box when reverting whitelisted users). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

0.7.11

I have to say, it's nice being able to exit the program without it digitally constipating on me. Thanks very much addshore :) ——Ryan • (talk) 17:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

NP, but all I really did was compile it. All tribute still goes to gurch for this version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Well cheers to both of ya everyone involved- closing the error dialogs had gotten to be almost reflex. Glad to see it won't set in. --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't thank me, I didn't do anything :P ——Ryan • (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

(Corrected my above comment to make everyone happy --/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 23:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC))

Queue Hiding

In the newer versions you can't hide the queue without having a floating dropdown box and scrollbar. It would be nice if this could be fixed. The main reason I don't like the Queue is it is distracting and gives you a sense of being under pressure. That pressure causes you to rush through stuff and make more mistakes. TIn addition to the pressure problem I also find the queue to be distracting because of how frequently it refreshes. If a configuration option could be added to allow the queue to refresh in a given time (say every 5 seconds) it would be far less distracting than it is now. --Nn123645 (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. I will add the hiding to the list of things to do and I will try to see about that config option. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, since I know for a fact I'll never be able to keep up with the queue, I use it for another purpose: when it grows over a certain size, it's time for me to call it a day. :-) --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 18:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The hiding of the queue features is now fixed in the next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries

What happened to the "Revert unexplained removal of content", "Revert dubious addition of unsourced content", etc, edit summaries? They seem to have all been replaced by the generic "Reverted edits by x to last version by Y (using Huggle)". As an aside, why do they get stamped with the fact that they're from Huggle now? Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 02:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Heh, heh.... Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 02:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I have noted this down. I will try to find the bug (might be config or in program) Thanks for reporting. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Huggle closing at random

First of all, i love huggle. Something that bothers me however is that at random times, for no apparent reason, huggle closes. I don't think im disconnecting from the net, and my computer is completely up to date. Could it be a problem with vista compatability? Or could it just be my computer?

Also, is there any way at all that huggle conflicts could be stopped? Would auto-whitelisting huggle users mean that they couldn't huggle conflict without the whitelisted user notice coming up? Sorry if this has been suggested before, Metagraph comment 11:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, huggle conflicts shouldn't be happening, it's only happening when some new user with <500 edits manages to get rollback at WP:RFR. Huggle requires rollback, we initially thought that would stop most new people who aren't already whitelisted. Apparently not. I would actually complain about it over at WT:RFR, I think they're giving out rollback without really thinking whether the user can handle it or not. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I have over 1,600 and am whitelisted, and still recieve other peoples blocks/warnings. Is there a problem with my set-up or something? I'm talking about the conflicts that happen when two people with huggle revert and warn one person within like a few split seconds of each other.. does the whitelisted status get ignored or something?

I don't know, I've personally never gotten accidentally warned, and I often revert right after ClueBot or someone else .... there's a feature that auto-stops reverts of whitelisted users, I don't know why it's apparently not working... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Problems with program

Last couple of times I used Huggle, it crashed when I exited, instead of updating the whitelist. Enigma ^msg! 06:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Whitelist

whats this mean? – ThatWikiGuy (talk|life) 13:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

An answer can be found at Whitelist. Gary King (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion bug?

I received a deletion nomination notification at User talk:Brianjd#'Mumtaz Badruddin' listed for deletion. It links to the wrong page (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 June 20 instead of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 June 20). I don't know whether the problem lies with the other user or the software, but the summary does say "Notification: Mumtaz Badruddin listed for deletion (using Huggle)", so I am posting this here (and only here, for now). Brian Jason Drake 14:07, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

This should be fixed in the next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

New pages filtering

I can't get Huggle to filter the New Pages queue to only show mainspace new pages. Is this doable? Pseudomonas_(talk) 13:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

All the queue sources should be following the config field that contains the namespaces to show. Is it? probably not. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No, at the moment only the default queue has namespace filtering -- Gurch (talk) 08:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Common vandal terms

This is just a thought, but would it be possible to make it so that edits containing common vandal terms move to the top of the queue, similar to how Lupin's Anti-vandal tool works? Epbr123 (talk) 13:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea! :) —αἰτίας •discussion• 18:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be possible but i highly doubt that it would be introduced. My reasoning is for this huggle would have to load every single recent changes edit to get the content and check for words. When the articles are in the list all huggle has is the location, edit summary time e.t.c. Might be posible to introduce to the edit summary. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I suppose it would slow Huggle down. Although, it does already load every user talk page to check for warnings, so perhaps it might not take too long. Epbr123 (talk) 17:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm im not acctually sure how it checks the user warn levels as to begin with it doesn't check every user talk page when diff is added to the list. I think you have to have warned them once but to be 100% honest I don't have a clue :> It can work with the edit summary though, If it contains * it goes to the top or near the top (below removal of content e.t.c) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, checking the edit summaries would be of some use, but possibly not enough to warrant the effort and the risk of introducing extra bugs. I'll leave it up to you; I'm not that desperate for the idea to be pushed forward. Thanks. Epbr123 (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you have to have done the warning, yes - because I always get the people I've warned coming back to the top of the list in preference to the people that other huggle-users have warned. I guess it could pull warnings out of the feed if it wanted to, but I suspect it doesn't at the moment. Pseudomonas_(talk) 10:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I think if huggle loaded every single edit made on wiki and all users using huggle (sometimes 16+) all loaded the pages then that might just start to kill wiki and the devs would be hunting us down :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not something that I'm suggesting you implement any time soon, but if we had another IRC channel, then one user or a bot could pass around details of which edits were suspicious (as well as potentially other details such as which edits have already been viewed by other Huggle-users and so on) Pseudomonas_(talk) 21:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Project List Exception

Ont he login screen if there is no project selected then huggle crashes with an unhandeled exception (can produce on 0.7.10) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 13:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Notice bar in huggle

I was just thinking but what do you guys think of a notice / new bar in huggle? Something that would display the most recent news or important messages about huggle? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

It's an idea but how would you update it without releasing an entirely new version? Or can it be updated externally? ——Ryan • (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

New version is going to have to be released eventually, Already found many things wrong with this one :D ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

No what I meant was, to edit whatever you want displayed as news on the huggle interface, can this be changed externally without having to release a new version? ——Ryan • (talk) 19:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes whatever the bar displays can be changed by the config on wiki. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

In that case, yes, I strongly support that idea. Would be an easy and quick way of notifying all hugglers (love that word) of any news ——Ryan • (talk) 19:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

As for where to put it, I would say a subpage of Template:Huggle. But what about cross-language-ness? Right now, we're supporting en.wikipedia, es.wikipedia, bg.wikipedia ru.wikipedia, commons, meta, test wikipedia, and will support portuguese wikipedia. Translate or not? And another thing - we should come up with a version 0.8 sometime soon, we've been in the 0.7's way too long. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That is a good point and yes 0.8's are comming next :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Now back down to 0.7's again we think (still too many bugs to go up a version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Couple things for 0.8

1. - If not already implemented, the sensitive IP address list should be checked before blocking an IP.
2. - Check whether an IP is already range-blocked before blocking - see WP:AN#Beware of new Grawp tricks
3. - Why is it attempting to edit the config subpage on every exit?

That's all I can think up of that haven't been mentioned. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

1 and 2 I agree with. The problem with 3 Is it should acctually be updating the version to say 0.7.11 from 0.7.10 but there is a bug somewhere which means that the cfg never saves. meaning there is always something to update ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh really? I'll update it manually then... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Config page update should be fixed in next version —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addshore (talk • contribs)

Oh? According to the Google SVN comments, Reedy hasn't managed to fix it. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

He has ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Is auto-logging working yet? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The first and second of these are fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Huggle Abuse

Resolved

How does one nominate a Wikipedia editor for abuse of Huggle and get their ability to make mass edits of what they preceive to be "vandalism" revoked? Serious question since I see no ability to lodge formal complaints on the description of Huggle itself. 68.229.185.47 (talk) 06:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no such process. If you believe someone is abusing Huggle, rollback, or Twinkle, post on WP:AN/I. Enigma ^message 06:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Enigma, much obliged. 68.229.185.47 (talk) 06:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Login issues

Resolved

Hello. I'm facing login issues with Huggle. While it once says incorrect password, a few trials later it says - "Version is too old. or later required.". This is particularly odd because I have been using Huggle since the past 4-5 days now and I never had this problem. Would anyone mind suggesting me something? TIA Mspraveen (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Which version are you using? Version 7.11 is out now, which you'll need to download. Epbr123 (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Note the error should say "Version is too old. 0.7.11 or later required." but thats another bug that has to be fixed :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I'll download the latest one. I thought it wouldn't change immediately after I start using Huggle! :) Thanks again Mspraveen (talk) 17:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The error in the old version message is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Reverting + custom warning

The button for the custom warning doesn't do the reverting as well, and the keyboard shortcuts (Shift-T, Shift-S, etc.) don't seem to do anything at all for me. I'd also quite like to be able to add warnings, particularly uw-biog-n and so on, which I'm currently doing by hand. Pseudomonas_(talk) 16:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm these seem to work for me (the buttons from the drop down menu and shortcuts) is it any particular one? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 17:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The shortcuts, by the way, appear to be CONTROL-Shift-T, etc. And special warnings, I think, should be able to be accessed under "Advanced" - they currently aren't. And Addshore - there's some buggy stuff with the Config - "Administrator functions" is replaced with the syntax highlight color options, and the tabs are still there but unclickable. Auto-log saving also seems to have died. Plus the inability to save the configuration subpage. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The config saving bug is already known as for the autolog saving (works for me) but the tabs and general config stuff I will checkout soon. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 22:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Image of config bug --> in case you can't replicate. And log-saving is working for me now. Could be a problem with my computer's cache or something. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes that image really does help :> Thanks will work on fixing it. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

This will be fixed in the next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The first of these (custom edit summaries not working) is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Proxy

With a bit of work I was able to hack Huggle into working through my proxy. If it would be of use to anyone, I would be happy to share the code. Bartledan (talk) 18:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That would be very very useful. If you send it to us maybe we can implement it in the next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I've posted the code at http://schallot.googlepages.com/HuggleSource0710Proxy.zip, and a summary of the code at http://schallot.googlepages.com/huggle. Please let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help in any way. Bartledan (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I did tell Gurch before how AWB does it.. But he reckoned that didnt work... (AWB's doesnt even have to be inputted, and also includes caching) —Reedy 20:04, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've modified the code to enable proxy settings to be grabbed from Internet Explorer. The proxy settings can still be set manually, (In which case they are now stored in the config.txt file), but if the settings are left blank the program will default to whatever proxy settings are being used by IE. The new code can be downloaded from http://schallot.googlepages.com/HuggleSource0710Proxy.001.zip Bartledan (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Implemented in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Error

Resolved

I have 7.10, and now when I try to log in, I get the message "Version is too old. or later required." I didn't think version 7.10 is that old. Is there a newer version? --Spencer^T♦C 19:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes a new version has been released. Please check for the download link on the main huggle page Thanks. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, <sheepish> I missed that. Thanks, Spencer^T♦C 19:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion Page

I was just thinking what do you guys think of having a general huggle discussion page as well as this page for reporting bugs and feedback? Maybe split the pages up like the AWB guys have done. They have their main talk page(help), Bug reporting page(/bugs) and feature requests. Also if we do this we could adapt their template on Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs to be used here. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Gazimoff suggested on Fritzpoll's talk that we should use an external site for bug reports and feature requests - he said http://www.gazimoff.com/ is idle and open. But as for bugs, *cough*the development versions should be thoroughly tested before release*cough*. I don't think we get so much that splitting up the pages is necessary - WT:Huggle redirects here anyhow. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well all of the current releases are meant to be betas as bugs are expected and any user of huggle is really a beta tester. I still think splitting up the pages could be a good idea. As for the use of http://www.gazimoff.com/ huggle will soon be up and running on sourceforge hopefully which has built in bug things e.t.c and I still like the idea of splitting these talk pages. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 22:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem is, I'm legally blocked from creating a SourceForge account (under 18 and not going to get parental permission :( )... and please do test Huggle, I notice that the ones Gurch used to test for about a week before releasing it almost always worked better :) (you could keep a system of "stable" and "beta" download links, but that means writing the program would have to speed up). As for the talk pages, it would be a terrible mess. There's already a several hour replication lag between this and the /Bugs page, even more subpages would then neccessitate a portal, etc. etc. etc., and so on. This is the /Feedback page, anyhow. Actually, using WT:Huggle for a general forum might be a good idea. But then what happens to this page if bug reports don't go here either? The paradoxes and problems continue... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree really one big mess :D. As for /bugs that is onyl really for fritzpoll. As i know where all of the bugs kind of are just cant fix them i tell him there. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Major problem here...

Can you please let me use vs 0.7.10 again? When I try to use vs 0.7.11, as soon as it logs in, the "about huggle" window keeps opening again and again no matter what I do and regardless of how many times I click "OK". I have had to ctrl-alt-delete it 3 times because I didn't have enough time in between popup windows to close it normally. The program is utterly unusable. Also, if I set it not to show the queue, the frame and the scroll bar still show up. In addition, while it no longer comes up with an error message when it tries to update my configuration page, it still doesn't actually do anything. Sorry to have so many complaints in one message... J.delanoy^gabs_adds 00:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't seem to be experiencing the 'about' problem. (I'm running Vista) ——RyanLupin • (talk) 00:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

As am I. I tried everything I could think of, including banging on my keyboard to see if a key was stuck. Any ideas? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 00:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

What the hell? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 01:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Version 0.7.10 very temporarily re-enabled. You can re-download it from the WP:HG page if necessary. Bear in mind that that was equally buggy; the usual "you are responsible and may be blocked without warning" Dire Warning stands should it do anything funny with you at the controls. – iridescent 01:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

(J.delanoy) Ohh maai! Well I'm using Addshore's versoin 11 as we speak and I'm not experiencing any problems ——RyanLupin • (talk) 01:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind everyone. Something is majorly wrong with my computer, not Huggle. Version 0.7.10 won't even let me click on "log in" before it crashes. Sorry for wasting everyone's time here. I'm off to fight with my computer... :/ *sigh* J.delanoy^gabs_adds 01:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

*winks* the joys of modern day technology, eh? ——RyanLupin • (talk) 01:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

0.7.10 re-disabled. See, I told you it was temporary. – iridescent 01:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

←Not that it matters, but it works now. I love it when MS's updates that break Vista more than it already is... J.delanoy^gabs_adds 01:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It probably is your computer - Huggle seems to take an awful amount of RAM, and if you let the queue build up into the hundreds/thousands... *grimaces*. Mine actually crashed and broke my computer down for over half an hour when I left it running for ~10 minutes. We really need a "pause feed" button or something... and by the way, is anyone having this problem? (posted on WP:Huggle/Bugs and above ^ already). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not a problem with your computer but is a bug in huggle. Unfortunately there is not really an explanation and has been happening in the last few versions just it is rare. I will take another look at the code with fritz but i couldn't see anything :> and again it should still happen 2 versions older (i think) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Unable to reproduce the first of these problems (about window opening). The second (queue not hiding properly) is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I have the same trouble of the Help/About window opening every five minutes or so. I use Huggle on two computers and both are error free as far as I know. My computer doesn't freeze, I just close the window and continue. - tholly ^--Turnip-- 18:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

ClueBot Training Data Integration

I know its not specifically related to the scope of huggle but can you add a configuration option to participate in the ClueBot Training Data Project. Using something like huggle to get the diffs would make it much easier to participate in that project :D. --Nn123645 (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I have a program that was developed by gurch that you could use for this. Please send me an email. Using the direct diffs from huggle though is a bad idea as many people press revert to instances of NON vandalism. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Plus some people use Huggle for non-reverts, using the "edit" feature, I personally use it when I can't be bothered with using Firefox to open up the edit page. I would like to see that other program, though. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes i have a program that has 3 buttons. (skip, vandalism, good edit). Clicking vandal adds the diff link to one list. Clicking good adds it to the other. Skipping skips it :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 22:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

List of common mistakes

It might be a good idea to have a list of common mistakes made by Huggle users, which new users can be encouraged to read when downloading Huggle. I've drafted such a page here, which maybe can be developed into something that can be displayed at Wikipedia:Huggle? Epbr123 (talk) 16:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, would be a good idea ——RyanLupin • (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, If it looks nice in the frm then I might add it to the huggle loading window. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No point, as it only needs to be read once. Place, in a bright color, on WP:HUGGLE. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

randomness

Sorry to be posting so much here, but here is a rather inconsequential but slightly interesting edit summary. (no sarcasm intended) J.delanoy^gabs_adds 17:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that is quite a random edit summary, and quite a random edit as nothing changed :S. You were using huggle right? :D ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, happened to me too, right before Huggle crashed due to a several hundred page queue backlog... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering what were you trying to do? What caused tht edit? Revert, manual edit, undo? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Revert, I think. I'll go search through my contribs/autolog. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

AIV report for me here when I was testing the previous report about custom revert-warn. And another thing -- null edits aren't saved by the MediaWiki. The "null edit" was a dummy edit (only changing spaces, whitespace, etc. etc.) , and the edit before the linked diff was a creation, which show up as null-edits on diffs.Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

HuggleCategory

Who is running this unauthorised bot and can anyone give me any good reason not to block it right away? – iridescent 19:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not run by Gurch (he wouldn't do that...), and I have a feeling it's not a bot, just a SPA. Support block per Gurch's comment on the talkpage. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Indefblocked unless/until someone offers a damn good explanation for it. It's either an unauthorised bot or an undisclosed SPA, neither of which should be editing userpages. Will watch its talkpage for an explanation. – iridescent 20:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

A category should be unnecessary as there is already a user list, which has the advantage of being updated automatically -- Gurch (talk) 13:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Another uncaught exception

Cross-posted simultaneously to the /Bugs page:

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
   at huggle.Processing.ProcessDiff(Object PreloadDataObject, BrowserTab Tab)
   at huggle.ReadRequests.DiffRequest.Done(Object CacheDataObject)

Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

This version has been tested for probably about a month. Thanks for the report. Ill get fritz on it. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, they're really hard to fix, but "easy" to prevent - [2]. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

this is fixed in next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 18:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

AFD problem?

Looks like huggle might be starting AFD log pages in the wrong language; see [3]. It also created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glis (2nd nomination) (since moved to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glis) although there was no previous nom (possibly because there was other stuff in the prefixindex starting with glis?). delldot talk 18:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Both these issues are fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Feature request - "revert to this revision"

It'd be so good to have a way to revert to an arbitrary revision. When there are multiple vandals one often has to page back to find the last good version. Currently I open this in another browser and then use Twinkle, but an integrated way of doing it would be great. Pseudomonas_(talk) 20:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There is - just open up the right diff with either the history bar or hitting the blue back button, and revert. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah. *blush*. It hadn't occurred to me that that would work. Thanks! Pseudomonas_(talk) 21:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Question on config page

I realise people use huggle at their own risk, however say someone edits the config page to change the.. lets say edit summaries (im sure there are worse things that could be done to it, but im still not entirely sure where huggle takes over from the config page) to some warnable/banable offence. Are we still liable for our actions then? Metagraph comment 14:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Whatever anyone does using huggle is their responsibility. Regarding the edit summarys i'm almost 100% sure that they can only be changed on the main config page so only admin can edit them at this point in time. If an admin were to randomly edit them to something offensive and users started editing with them then although the user would be responsible the admin partially would be also. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The configuration page can currently only be changed by administrators. Administrators can also change site interface, skin and script pages; anything that can be done through Huggle's configuration page is mild by comparison -- Gurch (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries is driving me insane.

Where to begin... Well, these recent edit summaries "(using Huggle)" is starting to drive me insane. What happened to not advertising huggle? Why this? And, another thing, why require Rollback for this if it's not put to use? At the very least, please make the edit summary optional. If Twinkle and Friendly can be configured to make edit summaries optional, why not Huggle as well? Glacier Wolf 22:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Huggle will stay with the edit summary advertising. Many discussion have happened over this point and it has been decided that they will stay. The reason huggle requires rollback is so that there is some restriction on who can use it. Only trusted users should get rollback therefor only trusted users can use huggle. I don't think twinkle and friendly can be changed to totally get rid of them but only to change them to something else. I hope this helps. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 23:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

And Huggle does use the rollback functionality. On the subject of why, Huggle gets far too much abuse, so we had to put a restriction on it or risk the admins permanently disabling it. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It honestly doesn't help. But, thank you for your time. Glacier Wolf 13:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

You may want to look at this past discussion regarding edit summaries. Dadude3320 22:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It does help; the alternatives to forced-advertising and restricting to rollbackers are shutting down Huggle altogether or dishing out blocks to anyone who's misusing Huggle (intentionally or not). Like most changes Gurch made, these changes were made for a good reason. – iridescent 22:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

0.7.11 doesn't work in es:wikipedia

That's it :S --Racso (talk) 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 0.7.10 did work.

We kinda prefer specifics. Can you log in at all, can you receive the recent changes feed? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, 7.0.10 is re-enabled for now on es. Please try to give us a few more details so we can try to add it to our to fix list. :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 10:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

We (other users tried too) can't even log in. It always says that password is incorrect. --Racso (talk) 22:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I logged in to es.wikipedia fine. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

So did I - tholly ^--Turnip-- 17:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect AfD logging

Huggle seems to be creating incorrect log pages based on your computer's date, like this, which makes them faulty if you're not using an English computer. StaticGull  Talk  11:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes this is a know bug and hopefully should be fixed soon. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 10:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad to hear that. Keep up the good work! StaticGull  Talk  16:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Revert without rollback

Hi; it's me again. I have rollbacking enabled because it is used in most cases, but in some specific cases I would like just to revert just the last edition of a user, and I can't (huggle rollbacks). ¿Can a button (or sub-button) be implemented to revert even if the last editions have been made by the same user? --Racso (talk) 22:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback/Archive 5#Feature request - "revert to this revision"... – iridescent 22:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Request

If you haven't already signed, please do so here, following the format. Recommend not unindenting, also. Keep it going the way it is. Unusual request, but I think it's desirable. Enigma ^message 08:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Haha imagine signing on one morning and discovering that on your talk page :P ——RyanLupin • (talk) 08:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd be just a little shocked. :D Enigma ^message 08:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Look at it now. Madness. Enigma ^message 18:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD transcluding

Would it be possible to have Huggle automatically add an AfD nomination here? StaticGull  Talk  16:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The section you link to contains the per-day log pages, which are created automatically by a bot. Huggle already transcludes the nomination into the appropriate log page -- Gurch (talk) 20:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right, forget I said anything then. Keep up the good work :-)! StaticGull  Talk  10:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Ahem

Notice that my huggle is not enabled ^[1] , yet here it is. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

This is very strange and I have just tried this and I can see no reason why this has suddenly decided to start not working. Thanks for telling us about this bug. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm running Compwhizii's dev 0.7.12.0 version, and it still runs disabled. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Did we say it was fixed yet? :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Feature Request - Popup for template variables

How about a (possibly configurable on/off) option for opening pop-up boxes for more info when the template Huggle is going to use takes variables? For example ${db-copyvio}$ takes the (barely) optional |url= option. It would be awesome if we could include that information in the CSD tags Huggle automatically makes. Livitup (talk) 03:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't already? I'll go post a Google Code bug report. Thanks for the tip. And they're called parameters, not variables :) .Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I've got a patch up for db-copyvio, but I need to know if there are any other cases where this may be necessary - any other speedy templates need to get parameters? --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹoɟʇs(st47) 00:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem Logging In

I downloaded Huggle recently, and when I try to log in I get the message 'Huggle is not enabled for your account. Check configuration subpage.' But the line 'enable:true' is there in my configuration subpage.[4] What is wrong here? Chamal ^Talk 04:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this problems still happening? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's still there. Chamal ^Talk 12:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I still honestly don't know :S. Have you tried on another pc? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did try that too. But it's still there. I also tried reinstalling both huggle and .NET framework, but that doesn't work either. Chamal ^Talk 10:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I really have no ideas. I'm sending gurch a note to come and look at this. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to note Gurch has no idea why this is happening either. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

RC patrol

What would you think about making new-pages default to true? It looks like junk pages are created all the time, seems like we could use the help - and people who don't like RC patrolling could change to false. Huggle's RC capabilities are nifty and I'd hate to see that overlooked. --JaGa (talk) 06:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

If there is a discussion and the discussion says yes then I see no reason not to make this change. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I think there might be a problem with new huggle users not really knowing what to do with them. Probably stay off as default for now. Please re bring up if things change or you think differently. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

How can I get huggle for Mac??????

I seems that all of the wikipedia applications are only used on Windows, can this glorious application be possibly used on a mac os??? Hamburglar617 (talk) 16:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Not at the moment -- Gurch (talk) 13:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're using a reasonably recent Mac, you can always hold your nose, open Boot Camp (or buy a copy of ParallelPC) and run the Windows version - I've got on fine for years using XP for automated tasks and OS10 for actual editing. – iridescent 16:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Lots of users removed from the userlist

Why did this edit remove me and a lot of other users from the user list? It looks like this was suppose to be an automated addition of a new huggle user to the list and therefore shouldn't have removed anything. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 17:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, it removed me too. Well I'm all for blanking the Huggle userlist and whitelist periodically to remove redundant users. I think all you'll need to do is use the program again for your username to be automatically added to the list anyway. ——RyanLupin • (talk) 21:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Even though it's an apparent accident, I agree with Ryan. I remember discussing with Gurch a while back deliberately blanking the whitelist as a "purge" and letting it regenerate itself, but I'm ashamed to say I can't remember what the reason was that it didn't happen. – ırıdescent 21:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Well the list will regain its users anyway :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea to blank the whitelist peridically. StaticGull  Talk  09:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Extremely cynical suggestion; if anyone does blank the whitelist to allow it to rebuild, might I suggest adding these and these characters to the list from the beginning? It might avoid a repetition of some of May's unpleasant incidents. – ırıdescent 20:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I definitely agree, blanking the whitelist completely will see many established users suddenly on the receiving end of a Huggle warning due to accidental reversions ——RyanLupin • (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Be aware that we are talking about 2 different lists here. The userlist is something you are added to the first time you fire up huggle. It will be rebuilt if blanked. I was just curious as to why the huggle program itself would remove anybody from it. The whitelist is a separate list of both huggle and non-huggle users that huggle ignores. I was on that list before I started using huggle so I have no clue how it's populated. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Anyone that huggle sees with other (currently) 500 edits will be added to the whitelist. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually currently there is a slight bug that causes huggle to close before the page actually manages to update. This will hopefully be fixed soon! Until then I will try to update the white list as much as I can. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

A Queue of your own watchlist?

Would it be any use having a queue available to be populated by our watchlists (to be chosen in that drop-down menu above the queue)? Perhaps not populated by recent changes so much as showing any articles that do not have "me" as the last editor? I'd quite like to use Huggle to do a fairly intensive examination of my watchlist articles: I've been away from Wikipedia for quite a while and would like to use Huggle to browse quickly through article histories. I realise I can type in the name of any article to bring it up in Huggle but getting my watchlist queued would save a lot of hassle, I think. --bodnotbod (talk) 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this would be a nice idea. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

You can always copy and paste your raw watchlist to a file and then use the queue thingy to generate the queue from that file. --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹoɟʇs(st47) 15:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the option to set up my own queue and saw that, if I were able to get my watchlist into a text file, I could proceed from there. But I don't know how to access my raw watchlist. Can you tell me how to do that or point me towards some instructions, please? --bodnotbod (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Special:Watchlist/raw – ırıdescent 19:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[5], but you'll need to use a text editor to add the *[[]] --uǝʌǝsʎʇɹoɟʇs(st47) 19:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. W00t! I am not a programmer or technical. I hadn't used Notepad++ since I downloaded it ages ago. However I have managed to add the brackets to the list using a macro in a couple of minutes. Yay me! --bodnotbod (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It isn't necessary to add the brackets; a list of page titles separated by line breaks is fine. Huggle adds the brackets when saving to a text file in case the user wishes to copy the file into a wiki page -- Gurch (talk) 17:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Handy tip if you have AWB access; use AWB to create the list from whatever you want (your watchlist, your favourite category, your contribution history, a wiki search on pages containing the phrase "is a fag"...), run it through the AWB filter to clear out the duplicates and non-mainspace pages, and select "save page, format:text file with wiki markup". Bingo. – ırıdescent 20:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Eventually Huggle will be able to generate lists from most of the same sources as AWB, though it isn't a priority at the moment -- Gurch (talk) 17:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't currently have AWB though I was reading about it yesterday. Perhaps I'll revisit your suggestion at some point. But I feel I have quite a lot of ways to find work for myself right now, so I shall not be idle. --bodnotbod (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Added in next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Less intrusive advertising

Resolved

·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I recognise the value of labelling Huggle edits as such, but I wonder about the necessity of doing it in quite such a loud fashion. The current code is (using [[Wikipedia:HG|Huggle]]), which provides (using Huggle) -- an unattractive and obtrusive presence in a contributions list. Would it be possible instead to use code such as [[WP:HG|.]] at the end of an edit summary, or even [[WP:HG|(HG)]] if the full stop is insufficiently visible?

I for one would be much less put off using the program (silly, I know, but true) if this were either the default or a configuration option.

Many thanks. Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 13:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it might look a bit nicer as ([[WP:HG|HG]]). This looks smaller, is inline with twinkle and other scripts. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

So many people have suggested changing the "(using Huggle)" to something else, it's definitely worth a try. People should like this as it is smaller. - tholly ^--Turnip-- 18:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone else have any things they would like to say about this? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 10:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm... yes. Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback/Archive 3#A thought re summaries is a past discussion of this. Gurch decided to make it {using Huggle} from (huggle), even though (HG) was considered. Oh, and you might want to notify everyone at WP:AN or something if you do, because some Toolserver tools actually depend on that edit summary to identify huggle edits (including SQL's edit counter). In reply to the original, it's so loud because such a loud identifier, at the time, was seen as necessary. Using a full stop (.) means you're using something unrelated to huggle to identify it, and using (HG) is going to have some people saying it's not enough. The reason the identifier was added in the first place was so huggle edits could easily be identified as such in case of abuse. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 14:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Huggle_edit_advertising ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 09:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

"(HG)" would be rather confusing to someone who doesn't know what Huggle is (or even someone who does, come to think of it)... it could easily resemble one of the other abbreviations used in edit summaries. I think the word "using" should be kept to imply the use of a tool or something like that. "Using HG"? —Giggy 10:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

But then you could say that just saying (TW) and (FR) (for twinkle and friendly) are also rather confusing. Also the (HG) does have a link to the huggle page making it less confusing. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 11:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

The reason for the link is to explain what's going on for people who don't know. If they don't know but can't be bothered to click the link, I submit that that is their problem. Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 11:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated --Chris 12:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Much better in my opinion, makes the recent changes page a lot more prettier :) ——RyanLupin • (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't really feel strongly about any of this, but it kind of strikes me as odd. It's an edit summary, so the more descriptive it is, the better. Seeing Huggle spelled out doesn't strike me as loud, it just strikes me as an edit made with Huggle. -- Ned Scott 03:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

...but that's the point of the link. Of course, you could have it as "using Huggle, a semi-automated tool that speeds up reverting vandalism: please take concerns to WP:ANI and barnstars to User talk:Sam Korn", but that would be silly. This doesn't take away any information and looks far prettier. The amount of people for whom an explanation of what Huggle is might be necessary is negligible -- if there is a clear acknowledgment that the edit is made with Huggle, that is plenty enough. Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What is the rationale for Huggle? -- typical oversight by Wikipedia geekdom

I'm not a computer geek, and I noticed in reading the article that there is NO DISCUSSION of the merits and demerits of Huggle, no discussion of criteria for choosing between article undo tools. Hurmata (talk) 05:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What's your point? --Closedmouth (talk) 06:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My point is as plain as the wart on the tip of your nose, it's in the final twenty one words of my comment. But just to make sure people understand: the article presently is a mere step by step guide to using Huggle -- what keys to press, what comes up on the screen when you press a given key. Hurmata (talk) 07:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

As I see it, these pages are by way of being a user manual. One wouldn't expect the handbook that comes with a microwave oven to discuss its merits over other microwaves or over any other sort of cooker - one would look in consumer reviews or similar. Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism/Tools might be an appoximate equivalent in this case. Pseudomonas_(talk) 11:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Your point is half correct. How it falls short is: the link you have kindly provided should have been part of the page to begin with, and the first part after the title to boot. Hurmata (talk) 11:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want to write an essay on the merits of Huggle, you are welcome to do so. None of the rest of us can be bothered, though. Wikipedia:Huggle is primarily a documentation page -- Gurch (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)