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Coupe de France qualifying

I discovered numerous Coupe de France season articles. According to the articles, over 5000 teams are involved in the qualifying competition, with 153 of those progressing to round 7 in the 2023-24 season. I would like to ask whether the community here believes the articles merit individual pages. Perhaps the 'preliminary rounds' pages as they currently are, such as this one go into sufficient detail. Although these pages look like they may have previously been WP:SPLIT, notability must be established for such pages to be kept. Listing some such pages here - this is not an exhaustive list.

• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Brittany
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Centre-Val de Loire
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Hauts-de-France
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Méditerranée
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Normandy
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Occitanie
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, overseas departments and territories
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Paris-Île-de-France
• 2021–22 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Pays de la Loire
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Brittany
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Centre-Val de Loire
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Corsica
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Grand Est
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Méditerranée
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Normandy
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Occitanie
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, overseas departments and territories
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Paris-Île-de-France
• 2022–23 Coupe de France preliminary rounds, Pays de la Loire

Thanks, C679 05:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gricehead: tagging you for input since you seem to have created at least some of the above. C679 09:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• Because of how minor this stage of the competition is, and how minor the teams are, and the lack of national media attention around this tage, I see this as a pure data/stats repository, violating WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not RSSSF. Geschichte (talk) 13:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. These are the equivalent of the qualifying rounds of the FA Cup and so should be treated as equally notable. National media attention isn't the only media attention or the only attributor to notability and I would be surprised if there wasn't a degree of coverage similar to that of the FA Cup preliminary rounds (the main difference being that the BBC broadcast some preliminary round matches, I'm not aware of this happening in France but would be happily proven wrong). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I created (and subsequently split after previous discussion here) all the pages back as far as 2016-17 (although I could be wrong) and also performed at least 95% of the edits on each page. My thinking is similar to @Stevie fae Scotland above. Each page has also been through NPP to get this far. However, things change and I am happy to go with the consensus (although if it can be decided before I start on this season, that would be my preference - there's approximately 800 hours of work goes into a full set of preliminary round articles each season). Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 09:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The amount of work is obvious and commendable, but while it's not hurting anything, I struggle to see what interest matches at this level (12th tier!) would be to almost any readers, and while it may technically pass GNG due to the listing from the local FAs, it's extremely niche. I would say an article for each region with a section for each season, but limited to the last round and any interesting outcomes in the main draw, would be more suitable as this would still provide details of the qualifiers to the main tournament, which is surely the main point of interest, would be a bit easier to find for interested parties than what has ended up being 98 articles going back to 2017, and collating them would give you the option to add extras for each region such as a table for number of qualifications etc. It would essentially be re-presenting the same information as in the 'Preliminary round' overview articles for each season, but as I see you have done 7 seasons already (and part of an 8th) that is a good base for a solid article in each region. Just my own opinion of course. Crowsus (talk) 02:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Aral FC

Draft:Aral FC, a football club in Uzbekistan, would benefit from some non-broken references from reliable sources. LeapTorchGear (talk) 11:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

There is an already existing article Aral Samalı PFK. I added a book as a source for the name in 76-90, and renaming in 90.Ceriy (talk) 20:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Euros third place honours

There's been a lot of editing back and forth regarding whether France received third place honours for being losing semi-finalists at this year's Euros. My assumption was that we wouldn't include them due to there being no third-place play-offs at the Euros. However, I noticed that 3rd place seems to be included for the majority of losing semi-finalists post-1980. Has there been some discussion on this page before/is there a rule I'm not aware of? A talk page discussion has been started there Michaeldble (talk) 13:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! When there is no 3rd place match taken place, the norm has been both losing semi-finalists to be considered as having shared the 3rd place. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

With the exception of 2008 and 2012 there were no bronze medals awarded. -Koppapa (talk) 16:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

If we don't have an explicit source that says France got 3rd place, then the "honour" shouldn't be included.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Does this qualify? Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 19:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

No - this clearly states that bronze medals were awarded up to 1980, and then in 2012 and 2016 only. GiantSnowman 20:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

But the question was if there is a source that says France got 3rd place, not if they got bronze medals or not, which, even though related, I believe is irrelevant here, unless we are saying getting bronze medal(s) is a prerequisite for being ranked 3rd. Quote from that article from WorldSoccerTalk says '"UEFA does not differentiate between the two eliminated semifinalists. Hence, they are both ranked the same in the competition. Officially, they both finished third.", which clearly states both losing semi-finalists are considered as having shared the 3rd place, at least by UEFA, regardless if bronze medals were not given. Kind regards, Lorry Gundersen (talk) 22:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Issey Nakajima-Farran

Anyone want to help here, an SPA wants to ignore WP:LANGVAR despite my explanation of Wiki Conventions. RedPatch (talk) 02:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

They are quite stubborn. WP:IDHT has led to disruptive editing. Could a kind editor help with explaining things on their Talk page, please? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

National football squad table width

I'm a bit worried about this undiscussed edit: [1]. As a results, lots of football squads tables at the major tournaments (and elsewhere) no longer take the whole width of the page, as it was customary until now. Thoughts? Should it be kept? Reverted? --BlameRuiner (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Not utterly irrelevant to your point but not entire related; I've only just realised, due to @BlameRuiner:'s point, that this Template:National football squad start (goals) is why the date of birth column was messed up for the last year - I thought it was just Wikipedia's new appearance change. If we're looking to change the one above then could we get a ruling on this as well? Felixsv7 (talk) 14:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Uruguay four time world champions?

There is a new editor who seems convinced that Uruguay are four time world champions because they won gold at the Olympics in the 1920s as well as the World Cup in 1930 and 1950. For example on the Germany national football team article, they added: "Germany is one of the most successful national teams in international competitions, having won four FIFA World Cups (1954, 1974, 1990, 2014), tied with Uruguay [2], Italy, and only one less than the most successful team, Brazil." All of their edits are related to combining the two tournaments.

Although I do not have a great deal of knowledge on this period of football, this seems very misleading. I have also asked the editor to start a talk page discussion rather than to continually reinstate their changes. Does anyone have any perspective of this?

I've placed it here as this has been done across several pages: Uruguay:[3], Germany: [4], Argentina: [5], 1930 FIFA World Cup: [6]

Pinging @User:Kante4 as they were involved too. Kind regards Michaeldble (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC) Michaeldble (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Truefacts24: Pinging the editor. Those are two different tournaments and this is the first time i heard that the Olympics in 1924 and 1928 were counted as the first world cups. Can someone with more knowledge help? Kante4 (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The 1928 and 1924 Olympics were special tournaments that counted as full world championships equivalent to a World Cup before the World Cup was. The World Cup started in 1930, which is a different tournament. Those particular Olympics don’t count as world cups but count as FIFA world championships equal in value and prestige. This is confirmed by fifa and is the reason why Uruguay wears 4 stars above their crest. FIFA makes countries remove stars from their crest unless they were official champions of the world. For example in the 2018 World Cup, FIFA made Egypt remove the 7 stars they wear above their crest for their Africa cup wins. Truefacts24 (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you have non-Uruguayan sources available for this? The Banner talk 22:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

FIFA itself is the source. Have you ever watched a FIFA World Cup? If so you will view 4 stars in Uruguays crest. This is because FIFA recognizes them as 4 time world champions, otherwise they would be informed that they have to remove stars before they enter FIFAs tournament. It’s also in the FIFA museum. Truefacts24 (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any sources from FIFA that say this explicitly please? Michaeldble (talk) 22:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

On hand I have several photos that you can read of plaques in the FIFA museum in Zurich, Switzerland that display this. How should I send them? Truefacts24 (talk) 22:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Here’s the Olympics themselves confirming that the 1924 tournament was the first world championship organized by FIFA Truefacts24 (talk) 22:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Saying "four world championships" is very different than saying "four World Cups", which is explicitly incorrect. The vast majority of discussion about "world championships" is in reference to the FIFA World Cup, so except for discussions in Uruguay's specific context, it would be inappropriate to make these changes to articles like Germany. Jay eyem (talk) 23:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This is a completely ludicrous statement rife with bias rather than truth, especially how it was worded. Uruguay need to be included when comparing how many times a country was champion of the world. Germany would have 5 stars had they won one of those Olympics editions, but they didn’t, they lost to Uruguay 4-1 in the quarterfinal of the 1928 world championship. The World Cup is a brand name and the history of it is important as all world champions are equal, regardless of which brand they won. I specifically added the wording tied in “world titles” with… as to include the total number of times each country was champion of the world, not only the World Cup, which is the correct and fair comparison. Truefacts24 (talk) 23:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Fifa.com confirmation Truefacts24 (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I´am from Argentina, not from Uruguay, but in this issue, uruguayans are correct: they are 4 times "World champions", because the 1924 and 1928 Olympic Games (Football) were played by Senior Teams, and the winner of those golds medals were considered the "world champions" by FIFA. There are 2 sources of FIFA I can bring, but they are in spanish [7] [8]

FIFA created the first World Cup in 1930 because of the success of those Olympics Games, where they had the control of the Football Tournament itself. In 1930 and in 1950 Uruguay won the FIFA World Cup, but the previous 2 gold medals are considerated "world champions" too. So Uruguay has 2 FIFA World Cups, but is considered to be 4 times "World Champion". It is similar to the example of the Intercontinental Cup of clubs and the FIFA Club World Cup. The Intercontinental was organised by UEFA and CONMEBOL only, but the winner of the cup was (and still IS) considered the "World Champion of clubs". When FIFA took control and enlarged the tournament for other continents, the other cup dissapeared and now the World Champions of Clubs is the one which wins the FIFA Club World Cup. But, the teams who won the Intercontinental Cup are still considered World Champions of clubs... For example Sao Paulo FC is 3 times "champion of the world" because won the 1992 and 1993 Intercontinental Cup and the 2005 FIFA Club World Cup.[9] --Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 23:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Great sources, I had that document in Spanish and was looking for it in English, because I’ve seen it in English as well. Thanks for adding it Truefacts24 (talk) 23:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

While this may be correct, the vast majority of discussion when it comes to national football teams is about the winners of the FIFA World Cup, not about championships that were won prior to its establishment. I don't see a reason that these changes need to be implemented across national team articles outside of the particular historical context for Uruguay. The Intercontinental Cup is its own beast, but clubs are not talked about as frequently as "world champions" in the same way that national teams are. If we want to discuss that, I would recommend a separate discussion. Jay eyem (talk) 23:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

You opinion on what you think people want to talk about is irrelevant. The purpose of these articles is to inform people with facts like an encyclopedia, not adhere to narratives like a magazine. Germany had the opportunity to have one of Uruguays stars on their shirt and on their Wikipedia page but they lost to Uruguay 4-1 in the quarterfinal of the 1928 world championship. Trying to erase facts in history is disrespectful to FIFA, Uruguay, and curious readers seeking information.Truefacts24 (talk) 23:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This is not about what I think people want to talk about, but what people actually talk about. The vast majority of discussion about national football teams is on the FIFA World Cup, not "all football world championships, including those prior to the World Cup". Uruguay absolutely has claim to four world championships. That does not mean that it merits discussion in the leads of the pages for any other nation other than Uruguay. It is a worthy historical fact that is notably relevant to one country; every other nation broadly discusses one particular tournament i.e. the FIFA World Cup. The fact that Uruguay has claims to four world championships only really ever comes up, except within an Uruguayan-centric context, is about the history of the World Cup or the Olympics. Jay eyem (talk) 23:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

1. What people want to talk about or what people mostly talk about has nothing to do with the purpose of this website as an online encyclopedia which purpose is to inform people. Furthermore discussion is not the purpose of a Wikipedia page, informing is.
2. The page of a national team is not about the World Cup which has its own page if people want to learn about that particular tournament. National team pages encompass all tournaments those teams were involved in.

Truefacts24 (talk) 23:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The whole story sounds a little murky. I could see explanations going either way and it seems to depend on who we're sourcing as well. Anyways, when mentioned it should probably be slightly elaborated on and linked to an appropriate article. --SuperJew (talk) 23:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The real problem here is that none of this context is obvious in most cases. Anyone not familiar with this very specific bit of footballing history from almost 100 years ago, on seeing phrases "World Cup" and "world title" together, will reasonably presume that having won a world title means having won a world cup, thus misrepresenting Uruguay as having won more World Cups than they actually have. In light of that, I have to agree with Jay's assessment that the phrasing "world title" should generally be avoided except in cases where Uruguay's 1920's titles are directly relevant, and more detailed explanation of what that phrase actually means is included. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

This is basically the exact point I was trying to get across. I think I am done talking in circles here, because I don't think my reasoning was being understood or acknowledged. Jay eyem (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Arguing against adding 3 words to a page (“word titles” and “Uruguay”) is an attempt to bully a nation because they’re small with only 3.4 million people and can’t easily defend their right to history and also because you want to prop up your favorite country or continent by not showing another’s achievements. A reader seeing that and reading the references will learn something and it will click in their head why they see Uruguay wearing 4 stars in FIFA world cups. Truefacts24 (talk) 00:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

This is why those official documents and references are linked to the word world title which can be clicked to teach people things which frankly matter. Truefacts24 (talk) 00:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Can always write 4 time world champions (1924 and 1928 Olympics and 1930 and 1950 World Cups). The brackets can help clear it up RedPatch (talk) 02:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Your edit on Germany stated "Germany is one of the most successful national teams in international competitions, having won four FIFA World Cups (1954, 1974, 1990, 2014), tied with Uruguay...". This is clearly false. The 1924 and 1928 Olympics were world championships won by Uruguay, but not World Cups. Your edit on Argentina similarly changed the specific wording of "appeared in a World Cup final six times" (correct) to "appeared in a Football World Championship final (The World Cup final and 1928 Olympics) 7 times" (also correct, but amended the stated fact unnecessarily). Essentially the Olympics were a gateway to Uruguay hosting the first World Cup and they won that and are deservedly lauded for that, and the Olympic wins stand on their own merit. What your edits are attempting to do is not point out that Uruguay also won 'World Championship' Olympics, which is something that possibly deserves more attention, but to add the totals of those tournaments awkwardly onto the established totals for World Cup wins, finals etc leading to confusion and argument. In contrast, nobody has changed your edit at Switzerland as you have done that one right - adding the Olympic medal without claiming that they played in the first World Cup final. Crowsus (talk) 04:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I never intended to put “tied with Uruguay”. If I did it was for half a second before I quickly fixed the typo. You will see all of my edits besides that typo say “tied in world titles with Uruguay & Italy” which is 100% correct, without adding Uruguay the Germany page is disrespecting Uruguay and all Uruguay fans. I am personally a fan of the Argentina national team and I want to have it said that we made it to 7 world championship finals which is better than saying 6. That is a good thing to show and teach people about. I never said 7 World Cup finals. I’m also tired of seeing people pick on Uruguay online (not on these discussions with you guys) and they tell Uruguayan fans they shouldn’t have 4 stars and they don’t understand how those Olympics count. It’s important to begin to teach people the truth so Uruguay fans can stop feeling robbed and ridiculed by history tellers and get their proper credit. This is why references are added to the end of correct phrases so people can choose to learn more.Truefacts24 (talk) 12:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

It is of note that the logo of the 1930 World Cup, organized by Uruguay, reads: "1er Campeonato Mundial de Football" (emphasis added). --Theurgist (talk) 03:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

This right here settles everything. It’s from FIFA.com Truefacts24 (talk) 03:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• I have final-warned the user for introducing misleading information into articles and edit-warring. They have also attempted to circumvent their partial block from the Germany article by asking another editor to proxy for them. Any further similar activity will inevitably result in a siteblock. Black Kite (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Others who agree with me will inevitably add the same information as me regardless because it’s the most correct information. Most people don’t know this history and it’s a shame they don’t, and putting it on Wikipedia will inform everyone more about soccer. Nothing I’ve said is misleading, especially when I add references of proof. Truefacts24 (talk) 12:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  As I said at your talkpage, you need to gain consensus for your changes. This is how Wikipedia works. Otherwise they will simply be reverted, and if the issue continues, it will be dealt with via protection and/or sanctions, which is not what anyone wants. Black Kite (talk) 12:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  If Truefacts24 edits again, somebody ping me and I'll block them for disruption and editing against consensus. GiantSnowman 18:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  What are you talking about? I’ve been falsely attacked. I did nothing wrong. Everything I posted was 100% factual, it’s not my fault people don’t know history, that’s why I’m trying to edit it. I never personally attacked anybody, I was falsely reported. I will continue to edit as I see fit within the bounds of the rules. I will make sure Uruguays history is known to the world. No consensus has been established against what I said, half agree with me, 2 are biased fans as shown on their page when you click on their name, and are trying to prop up their country by omitting relevant information, which insults Uruguay, and another one just hasn’t checked any of my sources from FIFA themselves. Truefacts24 (talk) 19:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  Blocked now for personal attacks after ample warning. Acroterion (talk) 19:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  For the record, my primary nation of choice has never won the World Cup (although the women's team have won their tournament four times). Jay eyem (talk) 20:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Greek football clubs in European competitions

Worked on Greek football clubs in European competitions multiple times. There is an ongoing edit war with an IP user there. Need your help and someone else's neutral pov to dissolve this. Recent edit history and Talk page will guide you on this. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 17:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Good Evening. I am the anonymous Mr. Abudabanas is in dispute with. First of all he is lying since there is no edit war in the entry. He came, made a bunch of cancellations as he saw fit and started the war. It doesn't even allow to write there. We opened a conversation on the talk page. Because he had nothing documented, he started writing on other users' pages and asking for the entry to be locked. He does the same here. Anyway check out our chat and judge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greek_football_clubs_in_European_competitions#Table_of_the_top_4_Greek_teams_in_the_European_cups — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:586:813D:2A91:BC4D:358E:D352:1447 (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Your opinion on this. Do you think that a Round of 16 participation in a European competition should be added as a distiction or it is more proper/valid that at least a quarter-final app should be credited as a distiction for the Greek teams? Greek clubs have reached at least the quarter-finals of a European competition 19 times. Including the Round of 16 apps you will need to add another 38 times I think. Is it equitable for a team to state that they distinguished themselves when they reached a Round with 15 others? In 2024, Olympiacos became the first Greek club winning a European trophy (Conference League) and other landmarks in Greek football history are Panathinaikos as runners-up of the 1971 European Cup and twice as semi-finalists (1985, 1996). Best UEFA Cup performance by AEK Athens (semi-finals, 1977). These are the numbers. What do you think? Abudabanas (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

When it comes to the round of 16 of the Champions League, the Europa League, the Conference League, of course it should. To get there you have to go through 3 qualifying rounds, from the playoffs, the group stage and the knockout stage of 32. Besides, UEFA gives a separate bonus for qualifying to the 16. If it is about the old European cups, where there were 32 teams and you got to 16 from the 2nd round, then no. 2A02:586:813D:2A91:FCD3:E7A8:FF22:8790 (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I have added my opinion in the talk page. Nevechear (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Lionel Messi—44 or 45 trophies?

Hi. I know this discussion already took place in 2020, but it may be worth revisiting it. With his recent Copa América win, many media outlets reported Messi as having won 45 trophies, including the infamous 2005 Supercopa de España. Inter Miami CF and Major League Soccer also celebrated his achievement. Back in 2020, it was determined in the aforementioned discussion that since Messi was not called up for either games of the 2005 Supercopa de España, then he would have not received a medal. However, according to this article published on 13 August 2005 (the day of the first leg of the final) by Mundo Deportivo, Messi was in fact called up for the game, making him eligible to receive a medal. Considering this, and the fact that also FC Barcelona and FIFA attribute this trophy to Messi, I think we could reconsider the decision of not counting this particular achievement. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 07:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Look at the squads of Barcelona in 2005, Messi wasn't in the squad. Those players who are called up for the 2005 Supercopa de España will get the medal. Messi wasn't included in both legs, therefore he wasn't able to get the medal. Looks like you've never seen the references in the reference note. Guyrichtheman (talk) 07:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I wrote the note myself... my point is that according to this article published on 13 August 2005 (the day of the first leg of the final) by Mundo Deportivo, Messi was in fact called up for the game, making him eligible to receive a medal. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 07:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Unreferenced BLP

Hello all. Wonder if anybody can help by adding a reliable source to Eddie Gallagher (footballer), who played in the Scottish leagues in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Have found very little to corroborate anything so far. If you have anything, please go ahead and add it directly to the article. Thanks, C679 15:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

There's a bit of coverage of his early Scottish career on newspapers.com if you can access that. NewsBank and Google should be able to tell you a bit about his Hong Kong adventure. Hack (talk) 02:54, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about match results

Under the Results and fixtures section for a national (under-22, if it matters) football club, how many years of results should typically be included? Is there any standard for this? GhostOfNoMeme 21:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I've always been under the impression that it is one calendar year, but I do not know if there are any additional standards for youth national teams. Jay eyem (talk) 22:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! GhostOfNoMeme 22:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Standard is 12 months (1 year). --SuperJew (talk) 22:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! GhostOfNoMeme 22:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources relying on Fabrizio Romano

For the benefit of those who don't know, Fabrizio Romano is a sports journalist who focuses on the football transfer market. His whole thing is that he appears to have the inside track on revealing transfers before they've been made public by the clubs involved. His reporting seems to be not bad in terms of accuracy, but also at odds with the goals of an encyclopedia. Given that Romano primarily publishes on social media, and his subjects are obviously always living people, citing Romano's reporting directly will run afoul of WP:SPS. I'd like gauge opinion on secondary sources that rely on his reporting. Given what he tends report on, my thinking is that sources claiming that a transfer is complete, based on reporting by Romano, should generally be considered unreliable, but I'd like to hear what others think on this. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion reporting from his ilk are mere clickbait in the style of so-called, in-the-know transfer news. There really is no hurry to add to Wikipedia and it would be far better to wait until the clubs involved announce transfers. Personally, I want to see a picture of the player hold my club's shirt before I believe he has signed!--Egghead06 (talk) 05:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Mr Romano is very good at what he does, but the only RS for a transfer having been completed are the clubs concerned (preferably both). cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

We should not report a transfer having competed until officially announced by the club(s). GiantSnowman 20:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Status of squads at Olympics

Currently on the Football at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads page, the squads are listed as an 18-player squad plus 4 "Unenrolled alternate players". Now my issue with this is that this year the rules state that players from the alternates can replace from the squad on a game-by-game basis (New Zealand are already planning to take advantage of this with Gillion to replace Old in the 18-player squad for the first match, after which they hope Old will recover from the ankle injury to be returned to the squad). At the end of the day this arrangement feels to me more like an extended 22-player squad (which 18 of are selected for each matchday) than 18+4. What do you people think? And how should we show it on the page (also specifically regarding the New Zealand case)? --SuperJew (talk) 07:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I would go with the official squad list from FIFA and they list 22-players squads. Kante4 (talk) 08:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

The Olympics site goes with 18 Example. Hmmm? Kante4 (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Sounds from the wording that they intend to update it every game/change --SuperJew (talk) 05:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

They made two changes for NZL. So, should those 20 players be listed for example? And when a change is made be updated for every team? Kante4 (talk) 09:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Identifying some Man City / Celtic photos

Hi folks, hoping for a bit of help with the last bit of categorization for some photos I took yesterday (Category:Manchester City and Celtic open practice, 22 July 2024). I'm mostly a woso fan but it seemed fun and produced new lede photos for Haaland, Grealish, and others.

I've got 23 photos left with someone unidentified – most are likely academy players but some maybe not. Fans of Celtic and City might help most. Thanks in advance. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 23:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

• Just want to thank you for the photos! Very much appreciated.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

IP blitzing players' heights, using wrong source

An IP from Egypt [10] has been editing at breakneck speed on some players from the Olympic football, particularly to hyper-correct their height (a remarkable obsession of a few IPs and users). The only thing is, the FIFA document that this user is using is from the 2020 Olympics, which has no relevance to the page I created Francisco Marizán, who was 14 and whose country didn't qualify then.

Even assuming this is good faith and the chap just copied the wrong document's address, we now have loads of pages carrying personal information verified to no good source. There's no way I can undo all these edits at this speed. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

They seem to be correcting themselves now. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)