Succubustime

Issey Nakajima-Farran

Hello Succubustime. Thanks for improving Issey Nakajima-Farran. I see you had some disagreements with RedPatch (talk · contribs) so I thought I'd explain some of the Wikipedia policies their changes were based on:

• Per MOS:ENGVAR we use Canadian English for Canadian players. Canadian English uses "soccer", not "football" so we need to go with that. This guideline applies regardless of our preferences as Wikipedia editors and regardless of how the article subjects refer to the thing (for example on Instagram).
• Regarding the linking of "Calgary" and "Alberta", there's MOS:GEOLINK which states "For geographic places specified with the name of the larger territorial unit following a comma, generally do not link the larger unit."
• You removed the short description added by Entranced98 (talk · contribs). See WP:short description for why it's useful and why the article should have it.

Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 09:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for whiting, @Robby.is.on.

I know, but Issey calls himsellf a FOOTBALL player, plese check his instagram https://www.instagram.com/11issey and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdxGsP5rRA youtube channels and also his facebook https://www.facebook.com/issey9/. His slogan is "FOOTBALL TILL I DIE".

So football is the only correct word and way of refering to him.

Issey has canadian passport because he was born there, but also english and japanese passports because of his parents. He was born in Canada but moved to Tokyo when he was 3, and his football carrer is far away from being started at Canada. He moved then to england when he was ten. And then moved all around the world. He always uses his british passport and calls himself half english half japanese, as his parents are.

So he is a world around FOOTBALL PLAYER. (Capital letters here don't mean shouting to you, and same with the ones before).

Thanks for understanding (at last).

Please help me with @RedPatch that keeps editing and changing everything to soccer. It is a nonsense.

Regarding the linking of "Calgary" and "Alberta", it was not me that changes to that, it was someone after me who changes to that and I just after them reverted the change.

I removed the short description because all users involved kept changing it to soccer. Ok, let's put it again, but let's do it correctly saying football player. And it shouls said "canadian born" football player instead of "canadian" football player.

Thanks for being kind and for trying to help. Succubustime (talk) 09:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

As Nakajima-Farran has played for Canada internationally, we treat him as a Canadian. So we use Canadian English. It's that simple. I don't prefer "soccer" myself. But MOS:ENGVAR is the guideline Wikipedia editors have agreed on, so we need to follow that.

Your recent edits to the article have been disruptive and constitute edit warring. It can get you blocked from editing very quickly. Please take some time and familiarise yourself with Wikipedia editing principles. I have been linking policy and guidelines pages to help you. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

And why do you continue changing MY photo?

I've added so so so many informationg about him and still have to update the statistics. Thi is not a war, this is a pigheadedness of @RedPatch, sorry to tell this on this way, I don't mean to attack anyone.

This way you use and do everything, it is nomal all alive people hate appearing at Wikipedia.

And also thanks for threatening to block me because of another user, @Robby.is.on.

As Issey and Aieva say: Please, do epic shit. :) Succubustime (talk) 10:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

And why do you continue changing MY photo? The image has been flagged as a copyrighted file taken from Nakajima-Farran's Instagram page. How can it be yours then? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

"Pigheadedness of RedPatch" Sorry, you think that. As I explained previously in the edit summary, all I did was do as Robby explained and do what Wikipedia says to do and use 'soccer' for people who played for the Canada/USA/Australia national team and unlinked the province, which is what Wikipedia says to do. As for the photo, Wiki is against copyright infringement, so since Instagram photos are considered copyrighted, Wikipedia doesn't accept them - they want original photos or photos that are expressly labelled as giving permission to use on other sites where the original photo is. Notice, I didn't change anything else besides these things, which are just conventions on Wikipedia. RedPatch (talk) 10:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

That is a photo i did by myself and gave it to him. He loves it and that's it. Succubustime (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The photo is made by me and I gave it to him. I wrote that on Wikimedia when they flagged and they accepted that. Succubustime (talk) 10:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Do not restore the photo until the copyright issue at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Issey_Morgan_Nakajima-Farran_BN.jpg is sorted. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

They flagged and the after telling them it's mine and that I gave to him, they restored it. 🤷‍♀️ Succubustime (talk) 22:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

The deletion nomination isn't closed, yet. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

When will it be? Succubustime (talk) 11:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

still have to update the statistics I have added his seasons in Spain to the statistics table. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Regarding your latest edit: You acknowledged MOS:GEOLINK above, but linking "Alberta" and "Canada" violates MOS:GEOLINK. The other links you added violate MOS:OVERLINK. Please stop using Nakajima-Farran's Instagram profile as a reference instead of reliable third-party sources. WP:SELFPUBLISH states: "Exercise caution when using such sources: if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent, reliable sources." Robby.is.on (talk) 22:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Robby.is.on, RedPatch said on the first message he left in here after changing mi edit to [[Alberta, Canada]]:

- Regarding the linking of "Calgary" and "Alberta", there's MOS:GEOLINK which states "For geographic places specified with the name of the larger territorial unit following a comma, generally do not link the larger unit."

And then now you change to another thing. So, at least, could you please agree between you both on this subjet?

@Robby.is.on, again, after the sentence that he is an artist, I linked to the website of his art, and you deleted it again, and still mantein one that talks about his retirement.

Apart from that, Issey does NOT live on a boat, he lives in a 10m yacht, and I gave you the prove of it. And he does not live there because of the prices of the city, he lives there because he used to live on one in Canada and now he wants t continue living on one, and I also gave you his youtube channel. Do you really know how much does ir cost to mantain a yacht and living at the Port Olimpic in Barcelona? I do. And what does "he bought a boat in Barcelona to live on citing housing prices in the city." means? It hs not really sense for me. Succubustime (talk) 05:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

RedPatch said on the first message he left in here after changing mi edit to Alberta, Canada: No, that was me. And RedPatch does not disagree that per MOS:GEOLINK only "Calgary" should be linked.

I gave you the prove of it and linked to the website of his art and I also gave you his YouTube channel As I pointed out to you, we should avoid references from the article subject, Nakajima-Farran – for example their Instagram profile, their Youtube profile, their website, etc. This is explained in WP:SELFPUBLISH which I referred to in my last message here.

The Victoria Times Colonist newspaper article about his retirement is mostly about his decision to live on a boat. The article consistently refers to his watercraft as a boat, in one instance it's called a "cruiser". Wikipedia should reflect reliable sources, so we follow that wording.

The newspaper article states "He initially wanted a flat with an ocean view. But Barcelona prices were so exorbitant he decided to do "something epic" and buy an older boat to renovate." So, according to the article, he made the choice to live on a boat based on housing prices in Barcelona. In other words, he cited the housing prices as a reason to live on a boat. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I did not put Alberta, Canada, I put Calgary, Alberta, which still only links to the city. As Robby has said the larger unit (i.e. The province of Alberta) should not be linked. RedPatch (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Robby, would it be a decent compromise, to say "After retirement, N-F bought a boat to live on in Barcelona, after also previously living on a boat in Vancouver Island while playing for Pacific FC in 2019" and just omit the housing prices comment entirely. The article says he wanted an ocean view place, so it's not that housing prices in general were exorbitant, it's just the ocean view ones were (which they always are more expensive for ocean view) more expensive than he wanted. As for the boat/yacht debate, the article does say he bought an 18 foot boat and per yacht to be termed a yacht, it must be at least 33 feet. RedPatch (talk) 10:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

would it be a decent compromise Yes, thank you. I've made the change. it must be at least 33 feet Thanks, that settles it. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I re-added the Citations needed tag. Many things are unsourced, I'll try to add sources, but it should not have been removed without sources added. WP:NOORIGINALRESEARCH applies. Should be easy enough to find sourcing for them though. RedPatch (talk) 13:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I put you so many times the link to the yatchy! http://www.instagram.com/themorganbcn

That as your own adored Wikipedia says, it has to have minimum 10m and Issy's has 19m! Succubustime (talk) 00:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Re-visiting this, I think Succubustime is correct here. The Victoria Times Colonist article says the boat is 18 metres long, not 18 feet so it does fit the definition of a yacht. Therefore, I've changed one instance of "boat" in the article. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, at least one of you has realized (at last) that you were not paying attention to something that even your beloved Wikipedia says it is like that, yacht, even if i was telling you over and over again and also linking to the yacht enter here in Wikipedia.

@Robby.is.on, believe me, as all of you, I just want to help here on wikipedia, and I started with Issey because I have many info as a supporter of him, just that.

You all also deleted many info that I sourced with no personal nor social networks accounts and I believe they really are interesting for people to know, I tell you this as a reminder, that's all. Because just like what happened to you with the yacht issue, in other things it may also be that you were not too aware that it was not as bad as you thought...

I wish you a great day,@Robby.is.on! Succubustime (talk) 11:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

He used to have an apartment rented here in Barcelona while he was traveling around the world. It's just that after coming back from Canada living on the boat, his contact of the appartmentwas going to expire, and instead of renewing it, he bought a hatch because he wanted to. You can see images of not only the yacht but also the apartment at his Instagram account: http://www.instagram.com/11issey

I've linked to so so so many sources and you keep on deleting them. Succubustime (talk) 00:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Believe me, living on a 19m yatch In Barcelona, is much more expensive and hardworking than living on a flat. There's always something to repair, there's something always to fix, then you have to pay the port fees and then the maintenance. It's far away for what a "hose" costs. Issue has chosen the Port Oimpic also, whic is not cheap at all.

Here you have another source: https://www.bandofboats.com/es/barcos-en-venta/141174 Succubustime (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

The Instagram profiles and bandofboats.com aren't suitable for Wikipedia; see WP:RS. Stop inserting sub-par sources. You're heading for a WP:CIR block. Believe me, living on a 19m yatch In Barcelona, is much more expensive and hardworking than living on a flat. I don't think anyone here on this Talk page except you is interested in Nakajima-Farran's‎ financial situation. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok, you got me, you're right, you win, all I want is to misinform people. Rest assured, from now on I'm giving up and I apologize for having completed the page so much from the first moment. Succubustime (talk) 08:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

you win, all I want is to misinform people. This is not about winning and losing and not about bad-faith accusations. The problems in your editing have been explained to you multiple times, yet you kept repeating them, continuously using unsuitable sources and edit-warring in violation of Wikipedia guidelines such as MOS:ENGVAR. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, please see WP:COI. It's obvious you have a close connection to Nakajima-Farran and because of that, you shouldn't be editing the article the way you are. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Again, sorry for correcting incorrect facts so anyone can be more informed of which is correct and which is not. Succubustime (talk) 08:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

By the way, out off topic, sorry. Is there any way that someone could request a deletion of a page that talks about him/her? I mean, what about if you don't want to appear on wikipedia? How can you do that? Succubustime (talk) 17:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Is there any way that someone could request a deletion of a page that talks about him/her? I mean, what about if you don't want to appear on wikipedia? Articles can be nominated for deletion. Before you consider going that route, please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion carefully. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, @Robby.is.on, I already read that... I was more thinking on this: Imagine it is you who appear here on wikipedia because someome make an entry of you, and you, for many (or less or even no reason) don't want to appear here on Wikipedia. Is there anything you can do? I mean, the person of what the Wiki article is about can request a deletion? Because we all have the right, as the law says that, to not to appear on the internet, it is called "right to be forgotten" in Europe. How do you deal with that? Succubustime (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Just like anybody can edit Wikipedia, anybody can request a deletion here. But as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion mentions you need to have "valid grounds for deletion". I'm no legal expert but according to the right to be forgotten article the right refers to "private information" and I reckon a professional footballer's career wouldn't be considered private information. Robby.is.on (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't exactly thinking on Issey... Succubustime (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)