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Adding new US based ranking - HeterodoxEdit

I am thinking of adding the Heterodox Academy ratings of college viewpoint diversity[[1]] to college pages. This is a relatively new ranking system, but has received some coverage (e.g. [[2]] [[3]][[4]][[5]][[6]][[7]] and I think is notable enough to include--although certainly not in the lead of articles. I am thinking that in the rankings sections of colleges I'll add statements like: "University of Chicago received a ranking of 98 out of 100 on the Heterodox Academy ratings of college viewpoint diversity--making it the top ranking school of the 150 universities evaluated.[1]" Before I start adding, I want to get feedback from the community on this. Thanks.- Dan Eisenberg (talk) 17:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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  1. ^ "Guide to Colleges: Top 150 Universities in the US". HeterodoxAcademy.org.
I disagree that this - or nearly any new - ranking system is notable enough to be included in many articles. If it were up to me, I'd insist on waiting a few years before making the decision to include a new ranking unless there were exceptional circumstances. My reasoning is that it's relatively easy for something new to get some media coverage. It's only if scholars and reporters continue making use of the ranking system over the course of several years that we get a good sense of whether the ranking is genuinely notable or if it was just a novelty. (Yes, I would also remove many of the rankings included in many articles especially the ridiculously bloated Rankings of universities in the United States article.) ElKevbo (talk) 18:57, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I also disagree with this. The aforementioned ratings are not notable to appear in a plurality of articles. Frankly the coverage of the new system is limited and adding them at this point would be promotional. It would be a clear case of WP:TOOSOON. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 19:05, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Image gallery of notable studentsEdit

There is a discussion regarding the inclusion of a large gallery of notable students at Talk:McGill University#Gallery of rich and famous. Your input is appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


Relevant discussion on WT:HEDEdit

A discussion relevant to this article is currently taking place on WT:HED (section) on the wider picture of WP:BOOSTERISM across university articles. Please see the relevant section if you wish to contribute, as any consensus made there may end up impacting this article, and it would be sensible to get involved earlier rather than going through any discussion it again if it affects this page. Your views and input would be most welcome! Shadowssettle(talk) 15:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Student newspaper external linksEdit

Sorry for the delay in following up about this. @ElKevbo: you reverted my addition of If there is a reliable and independent student newspaper, link it. to the external links section. I'm generally conservative with which external links to allow, but I think college newspapers are a type of link we should let through. One big reason is that, as I noted in a past discussion mostly about town papers, including official sites but not newspapers would have the effect of introducing bias in the ELs toward the institution's self-presentation, which is normally positive (e.g. the official website typically won't mention that it's currently going through a major scandal, but the college newspaper probably will). Looking at the guidelines, per WP:ELYES criterion 3, we should have links to Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons. College newspapers contain plenty of material that is too detailed or too heavily weighted toward recent events to include on a page, but that is nevertheless very useful for someone looking to learn about a school.

Of course, the nature and quality of college newspapers varies a ton between institutions, which is why I qualified the recommendation with "independent" and "reliable". If the only media outlet at a university is the PR office, we of course should not link it. But for the more typical case, I think it's a benefit to readers. Thoughts? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 04:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I think that's a reasonable position. I don't feel very strongly about this one or another. I'd really like to hear from other editors, especially those outside the U.S.
We need to have a larger discussion about the links in this section at some point later. Maybe - hopefully - this discussion can provide some clarity and foundation for us. ElKevbo (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
@Shadowssettle: You're a UK editor; any thoughts? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 16:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
I'd agree with Sdkb; most British university newspapers are independent of the university, and generally contain some quite good balanced coverage of events at the university. However, I think as always context is key, and if a student paper is effectively a uni pamphlet then that's not ideal. Independent awards can be a good measure at least over here for reliable papers if there's any contention. Shadowssettle Need a word? 22:38, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good; I'll re-add the advice for now since it seems to be the prevailing consensus, but we can always discuss further either here or as part of a larger discussion on ELs. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 23:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Example doesn't follow ruleEdit

We list New York University Violets as an example of a correct title, but the page has been at NYU Violets since 2009. Should we update our guidance or move back the page? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:20, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

notabilityEdit

The wording of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES has changed and needs to be reflected here. Private tertiary institutions need to satisfy WP:NORG and have no inherent notability. VV 15:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Plus, WP:NSCHOOLS has some similar guidelines. VV 15:22, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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